How safe is Berlin for Jews ?

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  1. Le Chef

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    Can you give more information about this? Very interesting subject to me. Merci.
     
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    You said "you freaking reap what you sow." on a thread about a Jew getting attacked. So you condoned violence against Jews. That's a fact not a personal attack.

    Some of them do but I agree it's way too few. I have no problem with criticizing Jews. Still does nothing to justify violence.

    I should show you the poll results in Europe on the Israel/Palestine conflict. 1/3 support Israel, 1/3 support Palestine, and 1/3 think both sides suck.

    So no, only America does that, and I agree that it's a problem. Zionist power in America must end.

    Your hatred for the West is noted though. Are you a Muslim?
     
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  3. notme

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    Go source me one.
     
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    How safe is Berlin for women not fully covered in a burka, for that matter?
     
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  5. notme

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    There are 3 hate crimes against Muslims every day in Germany on average.

    While 95% of the crimes against Jews are done by right wing Germans in Germany.


    So it's obvious what the real problem is.
     
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    Erm, yes, I'm against violence. Apparently that's a controversial opinion...wow.

    You didn't answer my question. Are you a Muslim or a liberal?
     
  7. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Not lifting a finger against a person who ethnic cleanses is just as bad as actually doing the ethnic cleansing.
    If a thug beats up a old little granny, than you would pass by without a care in the world.

    Pff... you just need info to make personal attacks. I've seen this so often before.
     
  8. AltLightPride

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    I already told you I'm against Zionist power in the West. Your calls to violence are shameful.

    Nope, I was genuinely curious about your background. You complaining about personal attacks for the second time when I did none comes across as nothing but a smear tactic.
     
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    Berlin would clearly be safer for Jews if there weren't so many extremist right wing attacks on them but that's kind of par for the crazy golf course for the extremist right.

    I suppose if there's any new, 21st century element to it all it's the gaggle of scummy little apologists liberally scattered throughout the internet.
     
  10. VotreAltesse

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    The one who decided to switch side were the leader of the tribe, he could execute the leaders of the tribe, no he decided to kill all men and sell the rest in slavery. If the mayors of a town decided right now to betray the usa, I highly doubt the USA would kill every of them, they would condemn the leaders.

    Coranist islam is irrelevant. 80 % of muslims are sunni muslims, 20 % are shia muslims, and coranists are so few, they're never put in statistics about the different movements in Islam. That's hypocrite, you totally know that many hadith, and the sira totally justify enslavement.
    Furthermore the quran totally support slavery :
    Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are self-deluding and boastful.

    I don't trust Muhammed. He claimed they were traitors, but history is written by victors and we have only the versions of muslims.

    It's because you understand nothing about Jesus Christ, and even a non christian as me understand better : Jesus Christ came on earth to save souls, not rule people.

    It's not slurs, it's a statement : we knew from 2005 a series of extremly violent attacks on jews commited by muslims. It's not the far right who commit racist murders in France, it's the muslims.

    No, I admire intellectual achievement. Nazis were brillant on some points, I admire them for that, does I appreciate them ? No. Jews are much more brillant than the nazis. About Israel and zionism, I'm neither for or against.

    That's all of your hypocrisy, you juge all jews through the actions of some, and even more you hate them for something they didn't did. You refuse to do the same for muslims.
    They abduct christian girls, destroy arts of ancient civilizations, kill hundred of people, commited many genocides, there, you will come and says "it's different, you judge muslims for a minority".

    [uqote]
    And at best,... at best... I don't see them marching against what the "Jewish" homeland does, which is utterly violent ways of ethnic cleansing and thieving from Arabs. And at worst I see them openly lobbying around western nations to support their violent racist ways. And you're haven't denied this. So now come the racist slurs.[/QUOTE]

    You admit it, you hate jews, and you have double standarts. You're imaginative about racial slurs.
     
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    Nope. People who worked for Auschwitz, even if you just did the bookkeeping.... they still were found guilty of genocide. It really is not like, my boss was Hitler, take it up with him for complaints.

    And my argument is that Christianity and the Jewish faith also justify slavery.
    And you're just not responding to my argument, because .... I won.

    Your point was that Muhammed supports like genocide against random Jews... as it supposedly is stated in the Quran. The Quran who teaches muslims how to be. And I proved that you read the Quran wrong. There was no genocide, but a court verdict on high treason. You lost the argument.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_God_(Christianity)


    95% of the attacks against Jews in Germany is done by the far right. So that places serious doubts in your claim. And that is besides you blame all muslims for what a few people have done. While muslims have openly protested against those actions massively. You can't say the same about the Jews when they are violently massacring Arabs who got ethnic cleansed by those Jews. Them Jews used snipers to massacre 100's of unarmed people protesting against being ethnic cleansed. It's utterly sickening. But no peep from the Jews in France about that... or anywhere else for that matter.

    All this is, is textbook ultra far right racist ideology that one race is better than an other.

    No I judge Jews through the actions of the bulk. The majority of Israeli votes in them governments for decades on end to ethnic cleanse and violently oppress Arab civilians for the sake to enlarge their Jew homeland. And the Jews who actively participate in that, by joining the IDF, is massive. You know that. That's in no way the actions of some. While the rest of the Jewish community either lobby for support, which they are getting and at best... you won't see them objecting to this.
     
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    You can't compare the staff who worked in Auschwitz to a tribe, furthermore the bookkeeper if I remember well got prison penalty, not death sentence.

    I don't know judaism enough to know it's true, christianity as an ambiguous relationship with slavery. However christianity did much more to abolish slavery than any muslim country. And muslim continue to sell people either in Syria or in Lybia.

    Lies, lies and again lies, what justify genocide against jews is in sahih muslim, one of the base text of Islam. I never pretended it was in the quran, it's a hadith.

    The quran, the hadith and the sira. It is what teach muslim how to be.

    You proved nothing.

    A genocide decided by a court is still a genocide.

    And ?

    And 100 % of the jews murdered for racial reasons in France those last years were murdered by muslims. I don't heard of any jew being murdered by the far right in germany recently, and jews still wore they kippa in germany, that's a long time jews don't wear a kippa anymore in France.

    "A few". There is millions of muslims supporting ISIS or other jihadist groups.

    A hashtag on twitter don't count, neither a demonstration of white liberals in New York.

    I never claimed that a race is better than another. I claim however that all cultures are not equal in genius.

    There is some anti zionist jews, they're rare but they exist.
     
  13. notme

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    So. He did not commit high treason. Point remains that everybody part of the crime gets convicted over it, and just because you got a boss, doesn't mean you can breach any law. Hence all men who participate in high treason get convicted over it. Your argument only the head of a tribe should, is a joke.

    Christianity wasn't the force behind that. And your point about Mohammed and slavery goes mute, since Christianity and the Jewish faith are all pro slavery as well. The end.

    Splitting hairs here. Your argument of genocide is fake, since they got convicted for high treason. The end.
    I most certainly proved those people were convicted for high treason, and were not killed for only the fact of their ethnic background.
    Nope. You just put Jews above the law when all Jews commit a crime. While you want to ban all Muslims when only a tiny % of them commit a crime.
    So much for Mohammed and his kingdom thing, when Christians do the same.

    Source it.
    It's still a fact that 95% of all hate crime against Jews are committed by the far right in Germany. On average 4 times a day. And on average 3 times a day the Muslims receive a hate crime from the same group. It's obvious the alt right is the problem. And you seem to vent alt right train of thought with your superiority of cultures rant.

    Just not true.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism

    They marched the streets all over the world. I haven't seen any Jew march against Israels violent oppression of Arabs and their ethnic cleansing across their border to enlarge their Jew nation.

    http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/317/fascism-a-political-ideology-of-the-past
    What is Fascism?
    Fascism believes in the superiority of the nation. “The nation” refers to a collection of people bound together by race, ethnicity, or culture.

    As I noted... praising the superiority of a culture is text book ultra right wing.
    You aware much of the world celebrates the murder and the victory of nazi's/fascists?

    I see you agree with me about how to judge the Jews.
     
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    so you're saying since most Jews support Israel's right exist, its ok to kill Jews?
     
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    How about you go quote me on that.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    im asking you: do you believe Jewish support for Israel's right to exist justifies killing or harming Jews?
     
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    You wrote "so you're saying since most Jews support Israel's right exist, its ok to kill Jews?"... that is claiming I wrote that. So how about you quote me on that.

    I'm waiting.
     
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    i asked you a question. thats all i did.

    now, do u have an answer? do you believe Jewish support for Israel's right to exist justifies killing or harming Jews?
     
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    And I told you to go source your claim. Cmon...


    All this is, is a personal attack when I posted how to judge a large group of people on their actions. How about you comment on this:

    No I judge Jews through the actions of the bulk. The majority of Israeli votes in them governments for decades on end to ethnic cleanse and violently oppress Arab civilians for the sake to enlarge their Jew homeland. And the Jews who actively participate in that, by joining the IDF, is massive. You know that. That's in no way the actions of some. While the rest of the Jewish community either lobby for support, which they are getting and at best... you won't see them objecting to this.
     
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    i made no claim.

    i asked a question.

    u gonna answer it or keep deflecting?
     
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    So you are saying... is a claim.

    All this is, is a personal attack when I posted how to judge a large group of people on their actions. How about you comment on this:

    No I judge Jews through the actions of the bulk. The majority of Israeli votes in them governments for decades on end to ethnic cleanse and violently oppress Arab civilians for the sake to enlarge their Jew homeland. And the Jews who actively participate in that, by joining the IDF, is massive. You know that. That's in no way the actions of some. While the rest of the Jewish community either lobby for support, which they are getting and at best... you won't see them objecting to this.
     
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    so do you believe its ok to use violence against Jews, since most Jews support Israel's right to exist?
     
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    Your question doesn't contain the actions on what I judge jews on.
     
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    fine, let me rephrase.

    do you believe that the way many Diaspora Jews support Israel's politics justifies violence against Jews outside of Israel?
     
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    That will not solve that your question doesn't contain the actions on what I judge jews on.
     

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