How the intel community was turned into a political weapon against President Trump

So Susan Rice unmasking Michael Flynn and it gets leaked to the press is a matter of National Security? Susan Rice, at the request of someone, spies on the Trump campaign during an election season and somehow this gets "morphed" into a national security issue that somehow excuses and explains that the spying was completely legitimate.

There is a scandal here. Obama found a way to use the Intel Services to spy on his political opponents. He did the same to James Rosen, an American journalist that he didn't like.

BTW, The House and Senate Intelligence Committees are requesting information and they are not getting it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ncies-stonewalling-on-surveillance-probe.html

We are these agencies not cooperating? What are they hiding?

 

The evidence that the are using to build a criminal case.

 

When it comes to RT, the programs hosted by americans, they will put the other americans on that MSM blacks out so the truth is not revealed. LOL Unlike MSM these americans who have programs on RT are not controlled as to what they report on by RT. Unlike MSM. LOL Neither are the American guests on RT pre-interviewed as in MSM, to make sure they don't say the wrong thing. LOL So RT unlike MSM does not control content or what can be said or not be said. These are hard facts, so only someone who knows nothing about RT is just parrots MSM could say what you are saying. But we live in a post truth America, as well as an America who has a MSM which is no different than the state controlled media in the old USSR. Your trouble is, is lack of intellectual acuity. Or a parrot.

 

Except that didn't happen.

 

I don't really care what some wannabe right wing blogger says.

 

Please don't insult our intelligence by trying to persuade anyone to believe that nonsense!!!!!!

RT is Russian state controlled media. I have no idea weather or not guests are "pre interviewed". Not that it matters. What they say won't get on the air if it's not what Moscow wants communicated.

But it has been fodder for the useful idiots in the American far right wing.

 

Trump's wiretapping claim has been debunked, and very thoroughly too.

 

Yes. But the desperate need for distraction and to give Trump supporters a life line to grasp is still at a critical level.

 

Ayuh,.... The evidence of the day says otherwise,...

 

Good, it is now part of the Russia investigation.

 

No, it does not. Not one tea party group was every shut down or prevented from doing its business because the IRS looked into whether their 501c4 status was valid. And not one tea party group ever had its 501c4 status revoked over such and investigation.

 

But like so many right wing memes, once the idea is planted, the guys in the trash blogs and the AM radio are going to repeat it and repeat it, whether it's true or not. That audience never asks for the actual facts. They just bob their bobble heads and chant the rant.

 

Bullshit. Every single one whose tax status was "delayed" by the criminal Obama IRS was essentially "shut down" until after the election.

 

What evidence do you have that Susan Rice unmasked Michael Flynn and leaked his name? I have seen no such evidence. Nor have I see evidence that anyone requested her to do so.

Everyone in the position to know has said that Trump was NOT spied on, not wiretapped. Nunes showed no evidence to the contrary…. just some allegations of legally acquired intercepts with masked names that "disturbed" him, so much so, he has stepped down from his position on the committee while under investigation for ethics violations. I do not doubt that Trump and Co. were caught up in incidental intelligence collection. With all the smoke in this story, I don't doubt they were caught in direct collection too, since many have been found to lie about Russian connections.

Trump has the ability to declassify all that information and prove he is right or not. He hasn't chosen to do anything of the sort. Instead, we have Nunes having to step down from his position because of a conflict of interests and loyalty. Trump could also declassify anything pertaining to James Rosen and prove or disprove his claims. Trump hasn't done that either.

It seems to me that you are conflating what James Rosen claims and that his "scandal" means that Susan Rice and Obama abused their power and spied on Trump. That's a Grand Canyon sized leap of logic.

As far as requesting information and not getting any… the investigation is over Russian influence in the election. It is not about Susan Rice. That "scandal" is a distraction from what the committee is investigating.

From your link-

 

I think you misread my post, intentionally or otherwise. Intel House Committee states the Intel Community is not forthcoming giving over information they need.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/mar/15/grassley-accuses-law-enforcement-officials-of-with/

"Nunes and Schiff sent a letter on Wednesday to spy chiefs demanding a complete list of people whose names have been improperly “unmasked” after popping up in other surveillance – as they said happened when authorities discovered former national security adviser Gen. Michael Flynn had contacts with Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak. If that information isn’t provided by Friday, Nunes said he would likely subpoena the information."

James Rosen:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/ti...-fox-news-reporter-james-rosen-134204299.html

This is a case that is not even in question, yet you want "proof" and want to act like it never happened. This is why, despite your claims of impartiality, I don't trust you to be neutral or just someone looking for answers. Even if direct proof is provided, you will not accept it unless it fits your narrative. You just keep deflecting.

I would highly suggest you do your own "investigations" and come to your own conclusions and get to the bottom of it. Real or imagined, you'll get the answers and set of fact you want.

 

I see you take your own advice in this specific situation, lol.

 

Interesting that you are quoting Nunes as saying that by Friday he would subpoena information if he wasn't provided what was requested, when Nunes is no longer on that committee…. BECAUSE he is being investigated for ethics violations involved with this very investigation. If names have not been "improperly unmasked," what is it that you expect to be released?

Odd you insinuate that I am being less than honest about what I post here, when you are posting old news and claiming it to be relevant. My point, of course, is that Trump has the ability to order this to happen and settle this Trump-made controversy, yet he has made no move to do so. Schiff seems inclined (as am I) to dismiss Trump's tweet claim, since there is no evidence to support it and none is coming from the intelligence agencies. They cannot give what they do not have. Both the director of the NSA and the FBI have said there is no such evidence. Schiff has been quoted as saying that if Trump has proof or was concerned about the document Nunes was shown at the White House, he should have gone through the correct channels and had the information provided to the committee. (Does that seem like I haven't researched this topic?)

As to Rosen, there is a reason he was being investigated. So, the "not in dispute" you stated is false. There is a dispute. You say they were investigating Rosen. The intelligence agencies say they were hunting an American leaker detrimental to US security and connected to Rosen. While Rosen didn't have to reveal his sources, there is no reason that our intelligence agencies can't look for his source, especially when it comes to intelligence on North Korea. From your own link below...

As for your aside...I have opinions, just as you do. I support my opinions with pertinent information and links from reputable sites. I do not have a narrative, nor do I not deflect. I counter. There is a difference. I've also posted directly to you that I'm not trying to sway your opinion. We don't ever have to agree. Everyone brings their own experiential background to their opinions. We obviously have different experiences that have led us to the positions we take. You're welcome to have whatever opinion you like, as am I. However, to say that I don't research my opinions and posts here is disingenuous.

 

That is a matter of opinion.

 

Fair enough.

 

Ayuh,.... So I guess tappin' the phone is somehow different,..??

Ayuh,.... Yer full of it,...... A lyin' leftist,..... Many were out right denied their status, til after the election,...