How nonsensical and demeaning, to come here and blow the horn of derision declassifying the Jews as a non entity, on a second thought, let me remind you and your followers, that Spain = Andalous was under the rule of the Arab conquerors 899 years until the <reconquista> chased them off in 1609 CE... We did not make an attempt nor a claim for 19 years from 1948 - 1967 until Jordan attack on Israel in coordination with Egypt in 1967, when they lost Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem, the Israelis liberated that part of the Jewish homeland, it was their rightful <reconquista> that did send the Jordanian scurrying behind the Jordan River. As a back ground information... *The whole of Palestine [Jordan of today plus Israel of today] was designated to be the Jewish Homeland. Its modern boundaries were first drawn after World War I and recognized by the League of Nations; those boundaries contained 45,820 square Miles from the Mediterranean Sea to the west to Iraq in the east. * In 1923, Britain not honoring its International obligations, arbitrarily severed Eastern Palestine [Trans-Jordan] giving administrative control of 77% of all lands east of the Jordan river to an upstart from the Hedjaz by the name of Abdullah, who was answerable to the British High Commissioner in Jerusalem, was not a Palestinian Arab. * In 1946, Britain declared unilaterally its decision to recognize Trans-Jordan as the Emirate of Transjordan over a territory of 32,640 square Miles. The Jewish Homeland [Cis-Jordan] was subsequently reduced to western Palestine. Its present territory does not exceed 10,878 square Miles. * Abdullah descendant [King Hussein the Hashemite] and his son Abdullah II rule over a population that is 79% Palestinian Arabs. This explains why the PLO tried to overthrow Hussein in 1970. Jordan is therefore the Palestinian Arab Homeland, just as Israel is the Palestinian Jewish Homeland. *Judea and Samaria - the so called West Bank were conquered by Jordan during the 1948 war led by British Officers, the 19 years of Jordanian occupation, ended by Israel in 1967 [six day war] there was no talk of Autonomy for the region then. Only after the Arabs lost control of it we hear talk in Arab Capitals about a "Palestinian State" on the West Bank [Judea & Samaria]. * The Palestinian Arabs have been cynically used as pawns by their Arab brethren in other Arab countries and by the PLO. Arab States refuse to give them refuge or even fully integrate them into Arab societies. This is a ploy to use the Palestinian Arab problem as an excuse to perpetuate the hate against the justly reconstituted Jewish State edict of the Qur’an. * Meanwhile, Arab rhetoric runs high. Their demands for a second Palestinian Arab State in Palestine at the expense of the already truncated Jewish Homeland is a further attempt to dismember the State of Israel in STAGES this time diplomatically.
The problem is proving what exact property was owned by your relative. To go yeah, there were Jews ethnic cleansed around there somewhere and I'm a Jew, so by race that area-ish is mine..... that is not how you inherit property. Duh. Hence my comment, you can not claim something by race.
But you can do this by the right of <r e c o n q u e s t> and there is a precedent <Andalous = Spain> after 899 years of Arab subjugation. The people of Israel did not disappear like the Pharaohs, they are alive and well!
I knew it... this is the width and length of it with you... You can again try to find another lowly subject to dislocate Jews from their homeland, but you cannot back your prevarication with intellectual sound bites... ta-ta...
Yeah... Jews can go terrorize some more Arabs more fanatically and go down in history of even being more violent and racist than them Jews who ethnic cleanse now.
The Palestinians have a longer continuous residence than most Israelis (most Israelis are descendants from former Russian empire in Eastern Europe that starting fleeing in late 1800's(in 1882 8% of the population in Palestine was Jewish) if Ashkenazi Jews ), if Mizrahi (Jews fled/expelled from surrounding Arab countries after 48 war but weren't residing in Palestine before 4 with part or majority of Palestinians descended from converted Christians and Jews(although discriminated against as part of dhimmi status like being forced to pay jizya tax most of the various Islamic empires that ruled over Palestine didn't force conversation of Jews and Christians) following 7th century Islamic conquest. In previous post you state you can do this by reconquest. How would it be reconquest? The ancient Israelite states were thousands of years ago and is not a legal basis to claim it. That would be like if Iran annexed Iraq or other states in the Middle East on the basis of having ruled it before as part of Persian empire. For right of request to apply West Bank would legally have to belong to state of Israel before which it never has recognized as Israeli(nor did it recognize as Jordanian when they annexed it in 1950 with exception of Pakistan and UK) territory. http://www.ibric.org/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf
Unsubstantiated but biased <P a l a v e r > or <R a n t>... Here is a better account of the situation than what you want people to imagine and fraudulently believe... Israel Rule 1447BC-587BC=860 Babylon Conquest 587BC-540BC=47 years Israel Autonomy (Under Persian rule)540BC-163BC=377 years Revolt of the Maccabees 163BC-143BC= 20 years Rule of the Hashmoneans 143BC- 37BC=106 years Jewish Autonomy (Under Romans) 37BC-637CE=674 years Total 2084 years Less 47 years of Babylon conquest -47 years Total JEWISH RULE over its Land 2037 years ============================================ What the Arabs have to show to counter the above... Rule of the Caliphates 637CE-1072CE=435 years (I had mentioned previously:- That during the whole period of recorded History, Palestine was never ruled by the Arabs of Palestine. The Rule of the various Caliphates (KHILAFAH) which was a Foreign Muslem Rule, extended over a period of 435 years.) Seljuks Rule(Turkomans)1072CE-1099CE= 27 years Crusader Rule 1099CE-1291CE=192 years Mameluk (slaves) 1291CE-1517CE=226 years Ottoman Turk 1517CE-1917CE=400 years British Mandate 1918CE-1948CE= 30 years I hope this will help your obstructive endeavor...
[[According to Obama, an anti-Semite is someone who refuses to understand that this history of persecution together with the Jews’ millennial connection to the Land of Israel is what justifies the existence of Israel in the Land of Israel. Moreover, according to Obama, anti-Semites refuse to understand that Israel remains in mortal danger due to the continued existence of anti-Semitic forces that seek its destruction.]] Barack Hussein Obama
From the Canary Mission http://www.canarymission.org/ Courage: The reason I'm an Israeli=Arab Diplomat Not a Palestinian Refugee http://www.canarymission.org/ A Christian Arab (Israeli) recount his successful emancipation from a dais in the UK. I want to attract the attention of those in the UK that have been brainwashed with demeaning propaganda of Jews/Israelis being murderers, robbers, deceivers etc., Listen and watch, this is a man that has pulled himself from his bootstraps and became a Diplomat... others are still refugees 67 years later. And the question of Arabs fleeing the country is well described by the son of an Arab/Christian refugee with the reasons behind it. Enjoy the clear and articulate speech.
Courage: The reason I'm an Israeli=Arab Diplomat Not a Palestinian Refugee I missed to put the right link above.... Here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1J16RBbNpk
I have an obstructive endeavor(how is wanting Israel to be a Jewish and democratic state and not a binational or apartheid state an obstructive endeavor) ? Nothing what you said disputes or contradicts what I said. The fact is most Israelis are descended either from Ashkenazi Jews started after fleeing pogroms in late 1800's with first aliyha or from other parts of Middle East and North Africa after fleeing/expelled after 48. As I have pointed out on this form dna tests show part of or most Palestinians are descended from Christians/Jews residing in Palestine that covered(again although discriminated against there were rarely cases of forced conversation in Palestine of Jews and Christians ) to Islam after 7th century Islamic conquest. The point of reconquest still stands for Israel to be reconquering the West Bank it would have belonged to the state of Israel at some point. It never has with international community not recognizing Israeli sovereignty over it(along with Jordanian which dropped all claims to it in 198. The ancient Israelite states like many that ruled over Palestine in the past thousands of years are long gone and don't have any legal relevance to the West Bank. Btw you count Jews as having autonomy during Roman period which it did during Herod who ruled as King of Judea; ten years after his death in 4 BCE Roman ruled it directly. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Romans.html
Very nice come back... please be assured I (as a human) do not think that there will ever be a chance for two States in the Area that the Mandate assigned for the 'homeland' of the Jews! Please watch the Christian Israeli Arab Diplomat giving a speech in the UK clip.
(*)(*)(*)(*) the Mandate, it ended almost 70 years ago. next you'll be citing the Articles of Confederation.
The Mandate is a document that has no 'clause that state unequivocally a termination date.' This is also evident from the fact that immediately after the first Article conferring upon the Mandatory the necessary powers of legislation and administration to carry out the Mandate, Article 2 begins with a proviso that the Mandatory shall "be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, as laid down in the Preamble"... That the primary purpose of the Mandate is the establishment of the Jewish National Home is made further apparent by Articles 4, 6, 7, and 11 of the Mandate. The Peel Commission accepted this conclusion after careful study. It stated that unquestionably ... the primary purpose of the Mandate as expressed in the Preamble and in its Article is to promote the establishment of the Jewish National Home." (Peel Report, page 39). This view has been held by many leading British statesmen, including those who were responsible for the Balfour Declaration and the drafting of the terms of the Mandate or who, as British officials, were in the best position to know how their Government understood the Declaration and the Mandatory obligations. Reference has already been made to the fact that former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, former Foreign Secretary Sir Samuel Hoare and others signed a Memorial urging the British Government to accept a Mandate under the League of Nations for the administration of Palestine "with a view to its being reconstituted the National Home for the Jewish People."
Zionists claimed land by law - not race, AFTER claiming enough and having enough ppl they sought indipendance according to nation as all countries did in the world, once again by law, We have histroy, culture, religon and legal calims, least we forget, we also have the "Might" part. WB land is the only thing disputed, but thx to Hamas and the rest of the terror groups there, we are solving it AND redeem land at same time. I'm not a religous guy but that + the rising blacks to the east was prophetized, the last war between the sons of light and darkness
Jews ethnic cleansed land from Arab civilians, not by law. They than forged an apartheid state banning Arab civilians from return to thieve their properties. Nope. Thieving property through ethnic cleansing and thieving is no rightful claim. And that is what Jews did. It is occupied, so says the UN, the UNSC and the international court of justice. You're just venting the opinion of your apartheid government who is lying.
With all due respect, is it absolutely absurd and highly dishonest to suggest that the Mandate for Palestine is still in effect. No historical or legal expert of any consequence would defend such an idea.
I do! I most certainly do! And what is dishonest is whomever that forcefully state that the Mandate for Palestine is dead and are not aware that it has NO termination date.
