Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Aleksander Ulyanov, Jun 22, 2022.
A Ukrainian victory is increasingly likely
Commentary with your opinion is requested and appreciated
3 and 4 are flipped.
The Russians keep the pro-Russian regions and the rest joins the EU/Nato.
I don't think talking simple victory is realistic or helpful in this conflicts (indeed, in most modern conflicts). Russia isn't going to take over Ukraine but nor is Ukraine likely to be able to push all Russian (and Russian supporting) forces out of Ukraine by military means. They certainly have no desire or ability to push in to Russia, let alone get to Moscow.
What is most likely to happen is that they fight to a standstill and have to negotiate some kind of mutually acceptable conclusion. That will be difficult and leave all sorts of disputes and complications behind but better than all of the death and destruction currently happening. We're in the situation where nobody can truly win and nothing will be resolved until everyone involved accepts that (if only to themselves).
Whether Putin remains in office has less about what actually happens and more about how it gets presented and spun to the Russian people.
IMO they should. This isn't going to end until they carry the fight home to the Russian people. Right now it's just the "shock and awe" tv hour; makes them feel like it's 1814 again. Once one or more of the Russian cities are ablaze the revitalized Russian Empire may not seem so attractive after all.
This is why I look forward to actual deployment of the missiles we sent them. They can reach most parts of Russia that are populated.
Partition seems very possible. Unless there is some sort of negotiation that's beneficial to Russia to withdraw. Because unlike the subject line, Ukraine is not going to win.
For the Ukrainians it is enough if they could push the orcs out of their country.
Other Western states would be comfortable with Ruzzia being weakened to a point where they can't wage war for the next 100 years.
Luckily, your opinion won't change anything. They couldn't even if they wanted to and any strike against Russian civilians would just give a whole load more propaganda material for Putin to sell to the Russian people.
He's just going to make up lies and sell them anyway. Fear makes bullies back down much more effectively than pleas to his better nature.
Don't call them orcs. By the time I finished LotR I LIKED orcs.
You are weird. (c) Monty Python
Anyway, Putin has less than a month time to live. That's how Ukraine "win".
I remember when idiots suggested that one of his own men would shoot him, or Russian soldiers would desert in the thousands. Oh Yeah. The Russian economy will fall apart, and we will win the hearts and minds of the people that will rise up to remove Putin from the Kremlin. And the really stupid people are suggesting that NATO or Ukraine achieve victory by marching to Moscow in a similar fashion to those similar campaigns led by Napoleon and Hitler. Let's start with the ever-increasing difficulty of kicking the Russians out of the Eastern areas that are already pretty well secured, and seem to be consolidating their holdings in key transportation hubs that will provide supply-lines to sit around this winter taking pot-shots at the shell-shocked Ukrainians. And I've been watching videos of people in Russia living life normally aside from the military bases near the border of Ukraine, but I doubt it's the Ukrainians sabotaging airbases in Kursk like they were abandoned US Bases in Afghanistan. Lastly, I find hilarious that the media is lampooning the French for cowardice and disloyalty to NATO. I still have my money on Russia winning this war, because the Allied Leaders are setting wild expectations for the shell-shocked Ukrainians.
Ukraine will lose unless the U.S. is willing to make the commitment to arming them for a win. Given that statement I believe Ukraine will lose.
Don't worry, America will join near the end and claim victory.
Why do you say that?
I could not vote because i think the answer is “Ukrainians make it too expensive”. And I am not talking sanctions. There was a tacit acknowledgment that Ukrainians are already inside Russia carrying out “black ops”
Memories of ww2
And WWI. It's an American tradition. They didn't even win Independence, the French came in to save the colonies.
But ask an American which wars they've won.......... apparently every single one on the planet.
Unless someone else enters the war, the only question is how much more will Ukraine lose?
Its possible this is the beginning of the end for Putin as well, but I dont see how thats a Ukraine victory if they still lose the bulk of their industry and natural resources to Russia, which Russia has already taken.
Meanwhile Russia keeps winning...
Russia says its forces now have full control of east Ukraine region
KYIV/KONSTYANTYNIVKA, Ukraine, July 3 (Reuters) - Russia said on Sunday its forces and their allies had taken control of Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region, after capturing the final Ukrainian holdout of Lysychansk, although Ukraine has yet to comment after reporting heavy fighting there.
Apparently the administration has committed us to a forever war in Ukraine so we might as well sit back and get used to threads like this titled, "How will Ukraine win?"
Your tax dollars at work.
High-Ranking Ukrainian Officials Caught Splurging On Luxury Real Estate In Switzerland
High-ranking officials from Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky‘s inner circle have been purchasing multi-million dollar properties and real estate in Switzerland, a Newspunch investigation can reveal. According to extracts from the Switzerland’s local land registry, high-ranking Ukrainian officials have purchased luxury real estate in the land of private bank accounts and alpine meadows.
Impeach and / or indict Biden......
bring back President Trump and Putin will likely withdraw from the Ukraine rather quickly ...... much as the American hostages were released by Iran soon after President Reagan was elected.
This whole "Russia/Ukraine/Washington war is nothing, but a "coordinated" and 100 percent "orchestrated" money laundering PSYOPS that is transferring all the peoples wealth from the U.S. Treasury, and European Central Banks to those con-artists at the tops of all the governments involved with this fraud.
They have simply used a global version of the old "Good Cop" ~ "Bad Cop" confidence $cam with active WEF club members, PEDO-Joe Biden, Vladimir Putin, and Volodymyr Zelensky in a hyped-up pseudo civil war, that has the Ukrainians occupants living it up along the
Dnieper River beaches in Kiev as the horrific battle for "life and death" rages on in the streets of their war torn and obliterated country....*LOL*
they already won, they made this way harder on Russia then Russia ever dreamed it would.... that is a win
so if we promise to destroy America by making Trump President again, Putin will leave Ukraine alone, doesn't sound like much a deal
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