How Would A Rape/Incest Exception For Abortion Work?

All true.

And, I don't know of a court that is so well staffed that they could rule on a rape case in a month. There are many that have taken years.

 

Not your call. Forcing the victim a crime to live with the result for the rest of her life is barbaric and idiotic.

 

Got nothing to do with "pro-lifers". You are correct in that it would depend on the woman - assuming she reports the crime and a case is opened - the should all that's necessary. Incest is a slam dunk - DNA.

 

Amen.

Also, where is the list of diseases and conditions that could get doctors off of criminal charges were they to perform abortions in those cases?

Are doctors supposed to guess when they could be brought up on criminal charges?

 

A major reason that incest doesn't get reported as such is that it involves young women whose statements are highly likely to break up the family that is their only method of physical and mental support.

If you make a criminal charge a requirement, it's about the same as preventing abortions in those cases.

And, rape does not always result in the possibility of a case being opened. Plus, it leads to the obvious games that are born in desperation.

There is only one person who knows if they were raped or if they were a victim of incest.

 

Well, of course. The premise of my post was THAT RAPE WAS REPORTED. Same with incest. Point is it would have to go into legal system.

 

Of course not. That's why I emphasized a lethal case being opened. The law would have to be written to address your points.

 

She should not have to 'report the crime' because she should not have to prove she was raped to get access to an abortion. You should not set up a system that demands ANYTHING of a woman who was raped, including a police report. She gets to keep the rape secret, because its an incredibly private and personal matter, because its nobody elses business.

 

Whether a woman is allowed an abortion can NOT depend on a criminal procedure.

And, if you just mean that there was a filing, what are you going to do - criminally charge the woman if she fails to support subsequent procedures?

And, your proposal here doesn't answer what I pointed out about incest.

 

Amen. A better answer than mine.

Yours is the bottom line.

 

Then let's just not include the exemptions.

 

The possibility that there is no easy way to accommodate the health needs of rape and incest victims while assuaging the religious anxieties of evangelical Christians is NOT AN EXCUSE.

 

This has nothing to do with "evangelical Christians".

 

Actually, it does. They are the constituency that motivates the drive to end abortion.

About 75% of white evangelical protestants oppose abortion in all or most cases. Other protestants and Catholics favor abortion in all or most cases. That is a STARK divide.

The only other similar divide is between Republicans and Democrats. And, that is probably because white evangelical protestants are or lean Republican.

Let's remember that 61% of America as a whole wants abortion to be legal in all or most cases.

Only 37% want abortion to be illegal in all or most cases.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...rtion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/

 

Only 20% of rapes are reported. Why? Because proof is difficult, trials are problematic at best, and downright torture at worst, and having some
rape tech dig around your privates after just being raped isn't a picnic. And if it's a family member or neighbor, the consequences of reporting
the rape can be devastating to the woman and her family.

I spent nine years documenting crime scenes and sometimes testifying on those findings - you have no idea the hell a woman goes
through in a rape trial unless you've actually seen one. You're "plan" completely disregards the woman as a human being with
feelings and fears. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

What the heck makes you think there is a rape kit involved?

That is just not going to happen unless the woman decides to immediately pursue it using authorities.

That is NOT an easy decision, because the system is HELL on rape victims - even when they try not to be.

 

Which wasn't the topic - we're talking about rape and incest victims.

 

How do you determine if the pregnancy will cause the woman harm? These two factors are why legislation rarely works. Either there are no exceptions and women die or you make exceptions and it becomes unworkable

 

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One reason that people oppose laws against abortion is that it removes a solution for women and children who have been victims of rape and incest.

As explained, our systems of policing, investigation, court cases, family destruction, publicity, etc., are absolutely horrible for women and girls even when those involved try not to be bastards.

Let's remember there are ant-choice Justices, legislators, etc., who are in favor of ending ALL abortion, ending contraception and terminating access to morning after medication.

Obviously, that is unconscionable, and especially so for victims of incest and rape.

 

Amen.

I was reading an article today about a group of doctors who were seriously discussing how they will be able to treat women who are pregnant without exposing themselves to criminal prosecution.

The catch is that there is no clear cutoff point. Motivated prosecutors vs. medically safe and sound treatment seems HIGHLY unlikely to be safe for doctors or patients in this new era of using criminal law to define medicine.

 

As explained, our systems of policing, investigation, court cases, family destruction, publicity, etc., are absolutely horrible for women and girls even when those involved try not to be bastards.

Let's remember there are ant-choice Justices, legislators, etc., who are in favor of ending ALL abortion, ending contraception and terminating access to morning after medication.

Obviously, that is unconscionable, and especially so for victims of incest and rape.[/QUOTE] But there has to be some system or validation.

 

It DOESN'T work in the real world.

There is only one person who knows whether it is rape.

And, the idea that there would be some sort of ready proof for others to see is preposterous.

These laws that Justice Thomas and others want ARE laws against victims of rape and incest.

 

You know it doesn't work that way.

 

Extracting DNA from a fetus is dangerous to both fetus and mother ... just say'n.

Forcing women to go to trail to prove rape just so they can get an abortion is abhorrent.

If conservatives are willing to take the woman's word then we can move forward - if not - I suggest women start forming a "well regulated militia" to
deal with any conservatives who try and force vaginal inspections to prove rape.

 

Got nothing to do with conservatives. Someone who performs the abortion relying on it being lawful could get screwed if he couldn't document the justification.