How would you feel, and what would you do if these were your daughters?

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  1. Sane Centrist

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    Yes, this is what you think it is......

    So a few days ago on a train (that I have ridden many times myself) in my home state of Jersey, this happened.

    Muslim Women Say No One Intervened When Man Attacked Them

    "I'm used to people looking at me on the street. But I don't want to get used to people attacking me."

    A man allegedly spat at a group of Muslim female college students last week while aboard a New Jersey train, and addressed them with racial and gendered slurs. The women said no one on the train came to their defense.

    Patrick Pietropaolo, 62, of Newark, was arrested for the attack on Thursday, a New Jersey Transit Police spokeswoman said. He was charged with simple assault, bias intimidation, theft of service (for not paying the train fare) and resisting arrest. He was taken to the Essex County Jail, where bail was set at $15,000.

    Three Muslim students -- 21-year-old Yasmeen Alsaker, 21-year-old Sara Ebrahim and 25-year-old Tania Khaliq -- were all wearing hijabs while riding the Newark Light Rail when they say the incident occurred. They say Pietropaolo shouted several obscene slurs at them, a number of which appear below.

    "Funny story happened today," Alsaker wrote Thursday in a Facebook post. "I finished school and took the lightrail to get to [Newark] penn station with my two Muslim hijaby friends. We sat down, a man was sitting behind us. He started cursing us out. My friend turned around to see whats going on, and then turned back. The man stood up and said: why are you staring at me ha? Why are you staring at me you F***ing muslim B**ch, and then he spit on her."

    She added that "no one in the light rail said anything."

    Pietropaolo allegedly called Ebrahim a "(*)(*)(*)(*)ing Muslim (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)." She recalled that he also used the words "motherf*cker" and "c*nt."

    "I didn't stop staring at him," she said. "We thought he was going to really going to attack us."

    Alsaker and Khaliq pushed Ebrahim to the front of the train, she said, and they opened the door to the train's operator so they could alert him to Pietrpaolo's behavior. However, the train operator closed the door on them, the women said. Ebrahim said she later realized it's probably illegal to open that door.

    "I was in a bad state," Ebrahim said. "I was crying."

    The operator called for assistance from the New Jersey Transit Police Department, according to the police spokeswoman. When the train arrived at Newark Penn Station, Pietropaolo "exited the Light Rail Vehicle, and the New Jersey Transit Police Department gave chase on foot for a short distance" until he was apprehended.

    "They really were treating us so good," Ebrahim said of the officers, who took the women to the police station to file a report. "They calmed us down."

    Ebrahim said police told the women that cameras on the light rail probably captured audio from the incident. She said they also her Pietropaolo was likely "mentally unstable." However, Ebrahim said she believes he meant what he said on the train.

    Pietropaolo's arrest comes amidst a surge in anti-Muslim rhetoric and anti-Muslim hate crimes across the country.

    He couldn't be reached for comment on this story. It is unclear if he has a lawyer.

    Read the rest here of you'd like:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-new-jersey-train_us_56dee2f1e4b0000de405c3fc

    After going threw all of that "unnecessary" hell, Yasmeen posted this on her Facebook page:

    Yasmeen Alsaker
    last Thursday

    Funny story happened today.

    I finished school and took the lightrail to get to Penn Station with my two Muslim hijaby friends. We sat down, a man was sitting behind us. He started cursing us out. My friend turned around to see what's going on, and then turned back.
    The man stood up and said: why are you staring at me ha? Why are you staring at me you F***ing muslim B**ch, and then he spit on her..

    ****no one in the light rail said anything***

    Me and my friends got up and moved to the front of the train away from the guy, went to the conductor, opened the door and told him what happened. The conductor said: why did you open my door, don't open my door, just stay away from the guy and step away from my door.

    We got to Penn station, talked to the police, the police arrested the man.

    I was sitting in the police station and just thinking that this is just the beginning of something horrible. If Donald Trump wins, this will basically become legal, people today saw us going through this and did NOTHING, the man literally stood up and spit, like WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU WAITING FOR!

    So yeah...
    That was funny.......

    These were her personal thoughts on the matter after it was all over:

    Ebrahim is a U.S. citizen who was born in Egypt. She said she can understand why no one intervened on the train. After all, they couldn't have known if Pietropaolo was armed or would grow violent.

    However, the incident has left her shaken.

    "I'm feeling awful," she said, noting that she started "crying out of the blue" during a tutoring session on Friday.

    "I'm used to people looking at me on the street," Ebrahim said, referring to what it can be like to walk around while wearing a hijab. "But I don't want to get used to people attacking me."

    "I feel in this country, I'm odd," she continued. "People look at us as if we are aliens. I feel like I don't belong here. Sometimes I don't wanna be here... I'm tired of being odd."

    Ebrahim cried while explaining that many of her Muslim friends were too frightened to continue wearing the hijab after the terrorist attacks in Paris in November.

    "I am tired of the hypocrisy," she added, explaining that you can't say the U.S. has freedom while "telling me to dress a certain way."

    "You can't come and judge me," she said. "If I respect you, you have to respect me."


    I can only speak for myself, and I know what I would do if this were my daughter. I can't share it because I can't use that kind of language in here. But suffice it to say this man would never go to trial or see the inside of a prison cell if Yasmeen were my daughter, and yes..............Yasmeen could be my daughter.

    So what say you............what would you do if these were your daughters?

    Yasmeen is on the right:

    Muslim College Girls.jpg
     
  2. MrNick

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    If I was Muslim I wouldn't expect my daughters to adhere to Sharia...

    I would not expect my daughter to cover her face, nor would I expect her to strict ideology..

    I was a kid once too... An American kid...

    Cutting off kids heads for listening to music or having western material isn't normal...

    (*)(*)(*)(*)ing savages....
     
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    People who curse and spit on American Muslim kids? You're right. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing savages. How about the other passengers who just sat and watched?
     
  4. Sane Centrist

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    Understood, and it looks like you got the opportunity to really get all of that off of your chest in a colorful way while letting us all know just how much you hate these savages.

    Ok, fine.....

    Lets try this approach......

    You don't know this young lady, but she's never wronged you in any way, fair?

    She's going to school trying to better her life in a decent way, and she's not on some street corner selling drugs or stealing from people, fair?

    She's putting in the work to make something of herself while bothering no one and causing no pain to anyone, fair?

    Along comes a person who thinks like you, feels the things you feel, is as angry as you obviously are at these people, and he releases those emotions in a tirade that hurts a "human being" that doesn't know him from Adam.

    She walks away feeling extremely hurt because she can't quite understand what it is she did to deserve such a violent verbal attack.

    He now has to pay a fine or face a judge over something so f*cking ridiculous, that there are no words for it.

    All parties are depressed over the situation, and all of it was completely unnecessary.

    I can tell you that Yasmeen's father didn't force her to wear her hijab because women that do not belong to the Wahhabism sect of Muslims are not forced to wear them. (those would be the Muslim women in Saudi Arabia, and only in Saudi Arabia. (wearing these covers for every other sect of Muslim women is a personal preference, not a command)

    She was on a train headed for home (unescorted by anybody or any male) after "college classes" - that would be your first clue that she's not somebody's sex slave forced to stay at home to only pump out babies, or the stereotypical Muslims you keep reading about in Jihad Watch.

    I can also tell you that her parents don't force her to live to some strict ideology that prohibits her from living a normal life that all "20 something's" live because (as much as you're unwilling to believe this) that's not what they practice.

    Her father, and none of the other Muslims in New Jersey, or anywhere else in this country, or anywhere else in most Muslim countries cut off peoples heads for listening to western music or missing Friday prayers. (yes, I'm familiar with that story but that's an anomaly, not the rule)

    The people that do that, ride around in old Toyota trucks in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and now unfortunately Syria waving black ISIS flags.......

    Nick, look at her face, don't look at her hijab, look at her smile, don't look at her religion.

    Realize that she's a human being with all the same parts, dreams, aspirations, hopes, fears, joys, and sorrows your sister/s or female cousins have.

    Come on man, did she deserve what went down on that train, if you don't want to answer anything else could you at least answer that?
     
  5. Herkdriver

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    People don't want to get involved, that's why no one intervened, not because it was women wearing the hijab.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^This is pure horse manure^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    It's histrionics is all it is...what does Donald Trump have to do with a mentally unstable man who cursed out a group of women wearing a head covering.

    If Muslims don't want the stink eye from infidels, perhaps they should reconsider persecuting Christians in their home country. A group of Catholic nuns were killed by Muslim extremists in Yeman..Gunmen killed at least 16
    people in an attack on a Catholic retirement home. Frankly women getting cursed out or spit at, is getting off light in comparison.

    Islam has no tolerance for other beliefs, it's in their Holy Book. It is a core tenet of their faith.

    You reap what you sow.
     
  6. Sane Centrist

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    I'd have to partially agree with you here but being that I grew up in Jersey, and have ridden on that very same train myself many times I happen to know for a fact that if she was your typical "Italian Geechee Girl" (as we call them) 20 guys would have been all over that idiot, and they would have made short work of him within minutes. (it's a Jersey thing)

    To your point most people don't like to get involved when they see things like that happening but what you wouldn't know (and it's not your fault) is that in her community there would have been many men that would have come to her assistance so you have to realize the mindset she had while it was happening, and what she was thinking.

    In other words, where she lives (in Jersey) it would have been normal for people to come to her defense, so she was shocked & saddened when nobody on the train did. Plus, she thought this guy was going to snap at any second and put his hands on her, so once again, she's sitting there thinking - "wow, nobody's going to help me out here, there just going to watch this guy attack me"

    Once again, Id have to partially agree with you here...

    Please try to understand something, you & I were born & raised here, and no matter what we do in our lives, and no matter how bad it is.......no one could ever throw us out of this country. The worst thing that could ever happen to you or I is that we get thrown in jail for doing something stupid, but Mexicans & Muslims are extremely fearful of Donald because of all the things that he's been saying on the campaign trail.

    Could Donald throw anybody out, absolutely not, but all of these Mexicans & Muslims don't know that, and they're nervous because they don't know what we know. They're all taking him literally at his word that he'll follow through on his promises to either deport millions of people or block others from coming in. Muslims also think that given the opportunity he would try to deport millions of Muslims.

    The other thing you have to consider here is her age, she's a 21 year old kid who just wants to go to school, and everyday she watches the news what does she see, Donald raging on & on about how none of us can trust Muslims or how he'll get rid of all of them.

    Lastly Muslim hate crimes have spiked since Donald has hit the campaign trail, and that's just true whether you want to believe it or not, it's been well documented. I don't want to derail this topic off onto Donald, but Muslims do have a lot to worry about because people are playing "the knock-out game" with them now, and it's getting scary out there.

    There was a report today of how a guy at Trumps latest rally punched a black guy in the face at the rally, and people cheered. Everything around Donald is very ugly and it's getting worse, so her fears are valid.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...th-carolina-rally_us_56e1761ce4b0b25c9180dd44

    You and I are not Muslims, so we don't get all of the mean stares, the nasty looks, and people cursing us under their breath as we walk by - they do, and the incident on this train only confirms how out of control things are getting.

    Can you honestly tell yourself or me that the guy that did this isn't a Trump supporter, or that things Donald said didn't wind this guy up?

    Completely off the rails, and none of this has anything to do with what happened to Yasmeen. She's not responsible for anything you said here the same way, your daughter (if you have a daughter) would not be responsible for something people of her same race or religion did thousands of miles away. (not fair)

    So does this mean that you condone it? Please take away any negative feelings you may have towards these people just for a moment, and please try to see her for the 21 year old kid that she is.

    That's what she is...........a 21 year old kid coming home from school, that isn't looking for any trouble, or giving anybody any trouble.

    I'm an older guy who's lived his life who never had to deal with such things, and I still have enough humanity to see that this is just wrong, on every level.

    And while your busy bringing up what bad people do thousands of miles away, how about focusing on the fact that there's something horribly wrong with a 62 year old man harassing a young woman on a train that should damn well know better than that at his age.

    But I haven't seen you condemn him for his horrible behavior at all................

    Absolutely, Absolutely, Absolutely wrong, and this is not a justification for what that old man did no more than terrorists being justified for their actions.
     
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    I suggest you visit an Islamic country prior to defending them with your bleeding heart. I've been to over 40 counries while in the service and by far the largest cultural rift occurs in Islamic nations. You are given a list that essentially tells you what not to do so as not to offend "Haji" ...I had to hide a St. Christopher medal as an example.

    Their Holy Book specifically addresses the non-Muslim, or "Kafir" as they call them. Their entire culture consists of the professed Muslim and those who reject or disbelieve in God and the religious truth revealed through the mission of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. It is black and white. The distinction between those who believe in Islam and those who do not is an essential part of their religious tenet.

    I really pay no attention to most of the bleeding heart Americans, because they defend this "faith" and I use the term "faith" loosely, out of ignorance. They don't really understand or have fully experienced the intolerance central to Islam...the viiolence central to Islam.

    Do I condone cursing out or spitting on a group of young women for no other reason than wearing the hijab?

    I don't condone this, however I am highly suspect of their religion if indeed they are professed Muslims. We're never going to be "buddies" and sing kumbaya around the campfire...you're living in a fantasy if you tinink that is possible. I am a kafir to them and they are all haji to me.

    Israel figured that out a long time ago. There will never be peace in the Middle East and you'd best believe that the impasse is not from Judaism...it is from Islam.

    Know the Qur'an and you will know the mindset.
     
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    Sane Centrist Well-Known Member

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    First, I thank you for your service, second, I thank you for at least acknowledging that what happened on the train was wrong.

    Now let me respectfully get into the rest of it, and oh-by-the way, I served myself in the Marine Corps many, many moons ago in the 80's but unfortunately back then I didn't have the opportunity to travel to the Middle East.

    But I have been traveling to the Muddle East since that time, and I've gone through 3 or 4 passports filled with stamps from places like Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Syria, Qatar/Doha, and Morocco.......................where I have family.

    So, you & I have obviously had extremely different experience's in the Middle East, and quite honestly I have nothing but good things to say about it or Arabs in general.

    I won't go into a long rant about all of my travels, and all of my experience's but if you search my user name in here, and just click on a few of my threads you'll quickly get a fuller picture of me, and where I'm coming from.

    I was born & raised here (in Jersey) and I am comprised of many nationalities, one of them being Moroccan on my mothers side, and although my fathers family came from Italy, their people originally came from Syria.

    I know just about everything there is to know about Arabic culture, Muslims, and Islam. I am not a practicing Muslim but not because I think or believe that Islam is a violent religion. (I simply do not believe in God)

    I respect your views, I don't agree with all of them, but I respect them.

    This story bothered me because this girl truly didn't deserve what happened on that train and I'm sorry, but her faith has nothing to do with it nor the actions of any terrorist's thousand, and thousands of miles away that she's never met.

    She's now an American citizen, and you & I took an oath to protect all of our citizens..............................remember?
     
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    I took an oath of office, since resigned, to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic...so help me God.

    I don't recall any part of the oath stating to protect the citizenry.

    The 1st Amendment of the Constitution protects the freedom to practice a religious belief. I'll support and defend the Muslim's right to do this America, and I'm not calling on any ban on Islam in America, but I have read sections of the Qur'an and it is at it's core, an ideology based upon intolerance towards the non-believer. There are varying degrees of practicing Muslims, some take it more seriously than others, but their Holy Book itself, establishes the struggle between Islam and what is essentially anything that is not Islam.

    Meanwhile Christ makes it very clear in the New Testament that while only the believer can have everlasting life, the non-believer is not to be regarded as an eternal enemy, they are in fact to be prayed for. There is absolutely no call for violence in the New Testament, it is crystal clear in the Qur'an however to condone violence against the non-believer of Islam...a kafir, someone who does not submit to Allah.
     
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    Fair enough.........

    I am positive that despite everything your saying, you would have stood up and either stopped that individual or flattened him.

    I can see that you are a person of honor, and whether you realize it, or are willing to admit it or not, you have a lot more compassion than you think.

    Your personality wouldn't have stood for what went down on that train that day.

    Good Evening Sir......
     
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    Look at the Noble Quran

    Chapter 9: At-tawbah (the repentance)

    Verse 23 translated as:

    O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

    You're an admitted non-believer correct? And you're angry that these young ladies were disrespected and no one among a crowded commuter train rose up in defense of them. For whatever reason they chose not to get involved, and you're angry about it. I can understand from the perspective of a common humanity. However, if you look into the ideology of the Noble Quran, it does not call for the recognition of a common humanity, what it does is distinguish between the believer and the non-believer. You can never befriend or recognize the non-believer with a common humanity.

    No one in Yemen rose up to defend Catholic nuns, from the same order as Mother Teresa by the way, who were caring for the elderly in a Catholic retirement home in an Islamic nation. So as I say, the Noble Quran reaps what it sows. It instructs the believer in that Holy text...to be intolerant towards those who do not share that faith, even if they are family.

    I understand your people are from this culture and it probably doesn't sit right with you, that an outsider like myself is condemning an integral part of what you hold dear, but don't necessarily adhere to. I'm Irish, it would be the equivalent to stereotyping all the Irish as drunken roustabouts.

    I'm not condemning the Muslim as people...I recognize the common humanity of us all. However the Noble Quran, when followed precisely does not call for tolerance or peace between those who believe in those words and those who do not. The Scripture itself encourages the exact sort of mindset that was inflicted upon these young women on this commuter train who did nothing wrong besides adhering to a custom in their culture of covering their heads while in public...wearing the hijab.

    I'm not defending the man who did this, he committed a crime; however if one wants to be shown tolerance I strongly encourage them to show tolerance and not interpret their Noble Quran to the letter.
     
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    Let me continue to say that I respect your position on this, and I respect the fact that of all the people that have written in on this so far you're the second who at least see's on a "humanity level" where it was wrong.

    What bothers me the most about this situation is the fact that I have a daughter a little older than this girl who used to also ride the train to & from college, and she looks a lot like this girl, hell Yasmeen could be my daughter. So I immediately thought of my daughter when I read the story.

    My daughter was never accosted or bothered because although we have some Arabic blood and have "some" Arabic ancestry we are not practicing Muslims, and she doesn't cover. Even if my daughter were to practice the Islamic faith she wouldn't cover because that's just her personality.

    So if Yasmeen didn't cover (the way a lot of Muslim girls don't) this guy would have never given her a second look, and ruin his or her day with his stupid actions. His ignorance of allowing himself to be bothered by her manner of dress is what caused all of this, which is insanely stupid in my opinion.

    I understand what you keep referencing as far as the Quran is concerned but that's the other issue here where we have a slight disconnect. The Quran (like all bibles) has many confusing versus, and many other versus that on the face appear to have one meaning but then once you read the "qualifiers" after the verse it appears to be explained better and it takes on a different meaning.

    The other issue here is that any text filled with "words" is exactly that..................a text, but it doesn't guarantee that all who read that text will interpret it the same way or live by it the same way, and we can apply that to all religions.

    All I can tell you my friend is this, I have spent a great deal of time in the Middle East on both business trips, and vacations in Morocco visiting family, and I always make it clear that I was once a practicing Christian and that I now follow no faith.

    And guess what, I am treated very well by all, and I never have any problems anywhere I go. I have been invited inside of Mosques, I have been invited to many peoples homes after business meetings, and I have also been invited to celebrate Eid al-Adha in September which is the Arabic equivalent to Christmas.

    To your point we could both find instances where Muslims have been less than charitable towards Christians or Jews because of the believer / non-believer syndrome but to automatically assume that all Muslims treat all non-believers poorly would be wrong, because they just don't.

    That, to me, is a very fatalistic, maximalists view of things, and I'm always amazed when people do it - towards anything.

    In other words, there is no such thing as 100%........of anything.

    I do get what your saying however, and it could quite possibly be that the people sitting on that train that day "assume" that since Muslims live in such an insular world, why should they help.

    What those people don't realize is that Muslims welcome shared community, and "bread breaking" with others just as much as everybody else.

    I appreciate this civil dialog, and I'd like to share something with you on my way out. Please give this a look when you get time, I think you'll find it interesting.

    [video=youtube;qzOMp4DYTYs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzOMp4DYTYs[/video]
     
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    I think it's weird that you seem more upset that no one intervened than the actual incident itself.
     
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    Sane Centrist Well-Known Member

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    I guess you skipped over this then huh???

    "What bothers me the most about this situation is the fact that I have a daughter a little older than this girl who used to also ride the train to & from college, and she looks a lot like this girl, hell Yasmeen could be my daughter. So I immediately thought of my daughter when I read the story."


    I don't live in Jersey anymore but I visit often, and I'm really, really hoping that I'm never in the Newark area, in a restaurant or a store, or anywhere, and I hear somebody say the words: "Hey Mr. Pietropaolo how are you" because I'm afraid the person that I buried a very long time ago would resurface and do the things he did in the past that caused me to tuck him away in the first place.

    Having said that.......I'm still SUPER hot that Yasmeen was verbally abused and spit on, but enough about my out of control emotions over this.

    You haven't answered the question Lil Mike (nice to see you again by the way) what would you do if Yasmeen was your daughter, how would you react?
     
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    You act as if this is some sort of unique situation. This often happens. People are often verbally attacked or abused in public. It happens in high school, and it happens in college, on the hightway and it happens at the workplace. Over many different things. I'm a father and I do have a daughter, so of course I would be angry and upset for her. But you are only upset by this because of what the verbal abuse was about, not that it occurred.
     
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    How could it possible be given your intellect that your still wrong on this Mike.

    I'm upset about every aspect of it.

    Now, your correct in that it happens everywhere and a lot, but how many times does it happen and nobody says anything like in this instance?

    Also I'm glad to know that you would be upset if it were your daughter.
     
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    the cops were called, he was arrested as he should of been, throw the book at him, case closed
     
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    Exactly my point. This does happen everywhere and a lot. Therefore, this isn't even a news item. Or it wouldn't be, except for one thing...

    But as I said originally, the fact that no one intervened is what really seems to be bothering you. I don't know how to answer that since I thought not getting involved in things like this was standard operating procedure for the northeast.
     
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    Well, I'd be mad as hell if it were my daughters, and I'd be mad at my sons if I heard they witnessed this and didn't do something to try to defuse the situation.
     
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    First person to just answer the question directly the way it really should be answered.........................Thank You.......
     
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    I think maybe spitting at someone should be illegal, if the offender was attempting to get the spit on the victim. But angry comments should not be against the law, no matter how spiteful, nor do I think the punishment for spitting should be significantly enhanced because of any accompanying comments.
     
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    I'm not sure if your insinuating here that it's only a story because of this girls religion or ethnicity but I would hope that this story would have gotten the same attention if it were anybody.

    Your right, things like this happen all the time but honestly not to this severity.

    This guy didn't just call her a bunch of dirty names, he also spit in her face, and came dangerously close to putting his hands on her. I can't honestly say how this story made it to so many news outlets, and to be posted all over the internet (which it is) but I'm glad that it got the attention that it did. (for many reasons that I don't want to get into right now)

    I'm equally bothered that it happened at all, and that nobody helped her. I'm bothered that a 62 year old man, that should know (at his age) not to do things like this, did this. I'm bothered at what drove him to do it in the first place, and the both of us are intelligent to know what that was. I'm bothered that everybody else on that train sat there & watched not getting involved (more than likely) because their opinion of her probably wasn't too far off from the guy that did it.

    I'm bothered that this young, impressionable girl will carry this BS with here for a very long time to come, and she never deserved it. I'm bothered that many of my fellow Americans in here can't just write in to say: "wow, that was really f*cked up and if that were my daughter I'd kick this idiots @$$"

    Because that my friend..................is the only, morally, correct emotion & answer for something like this.

    Mike, I know you to be an incredibly intelligent person from going back & forth with you eons ago on other issues, so I know you know better.

    If that were your daughter on the train that day, and I was in that car, I would have flattened the guy, and waited with her to make sure she was safe until you, or the cops got there, that's just the truth, take it how you will.

    As far as us up here in the northeast corridor not getting involved in things like this.................

    True story:

    Many moons ago when I was much younger and a lot more "adventurous" I was on this same rail line but of course in the older trains riding from NY to NJ. There was a young Spanish kid that was drunk giving this older (crazy beautiful) Spanish woman a hard time.

    I just watched, and told myself that the second he put his hands on her I would body slam his stupid @$$, the women slapped him in the face, everybody laughed, he walked away in shame, and I felt relieved that I wouldn't be down at the station answering questions............again as I had done many times in my misspent "adventurous" youth.

    Let me leave you with this, please watch it Mike, thanks..........

    [video=youtube;NrbnnEZnMOU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrbnnEZnMOU[/video]
     
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    Those are all "cold", legal arguments which are fine, and I respect, but lets talk about this on a human, "compassion" level.

    What would you do if it were your daughter, and how would you expect for the other passengers on the train to react, if you think they should have reacted at all?

    It's a simple enough question in my mind.
     
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    :roflol: did their feelings get hurt?
     
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    Well I apologize if I wasn't more clear. I'm not trying to beat around the bush or anything but yes of course, it's only a news item because of this girl's religion. There is no other reason this would become a story. Other than that, it would be a small item in the local police blotter section of the newspaper.

    It's the type of stuff that happens every day, and it was handled exactly as it should have been. They arrested the guy for assault.

    You can make a case that the bystanders should have intervened. You could also make the case that the shouldn't have, but we don't live in the type of society anymore where that sort of natural chivalry exists. The culture has moved past that. If the Titanic were going down today, you can bet there wouldn't be men stepping aside to allow women and children to board the life rafts and then go down with the ship.

    And as for this, it's clear that this hits you at a personal level. That's why you posted it and that's why you are following through on it. But it doesn't seem to be anything special except to the people involved.
     

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