Hunter Biden moves to dismiss Delaware gun charges

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  1. CornPop

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    https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...-biden-moves-to-dismiss-delaware-gun-charges/

    This is an interesting turn of fate. Hunter Biden is now exposing the DoJ's corruption and has effectively threatened to release more information publicly if they don't comply with his demands.

    The undisputed facts that we knew prior to this past week:
    1. Hunter Biden engaged in a lot of alleged crimes regarding tax fraud, human trafficking, firearm violations, FARA violations, etc.
    2. The DoJ intentionally allowed the most severe charges to go beyond the statute of limitations. Whistleblowers came forward and showed a lot of DoJ intervention in the investigation designed to hamstring the process and delay or prevent criminal charges.
    3. Hunter Biden was offered a first-of-its-kind broad immunity deal hidden inside a diversion agreement that fell apart when the judge asked if it was constitutional.
    4. The DoJ, not being able to defend the legality of the deal, lied and said it wasn't an immunity deal hidden in the diversion agreement, and Hunter can still be charged for his alleged crimes. This was a blatant lie and doesn't make any sense because the agreement clearly says otherwise.
    5. Hunter Biden's defense team said the deal was already done, and in their mind, it is final regardless if a judge hasn't signed off on it.

    Now we have Hunter Biden's motion to dismiss which is ~70 pages of amazing detail of how the agreements were created and the process that the DoJ took with him. Some of what he claims:
    1. The diversion agreement was already signed by both parties and was agreed by the probation office even though it wasn't signed by them. The prosecution signed it. And they believe that is enough because both the DoJ and the defendant agreed to the deal, and both signed the deal to give him blanket immunity. The deal was around whether or not they would charge him, not what type of deal he would get from probation or sentencing from the judge.
    2. The deal morphed several times as whistleblowers kept releasing more information about the corruption involving this case. The initial deal did not require Hunter Biden to make any plea and just gave him blanket immunity for his alleged crimes. The whistleblowers coming forward prevented that though.
    3. Eventually, they got to a deal where he would agree to plead guilty to minor offenses that would result in probation, and in exchange, they wouldn't charge him for all the serious stuff. This was clearly designed so Joe, Hunter, Democrats, and the liberal press could all say he "took responsibility" for his actions and the DoJ didn't bury everything like they were going to do if the whistleblowers didn't tell America first.
    4. Hunter and his attorneys have emails and communication with the DoJ showing they intended to let him off with blanket immunity and without suffering any consequences, and they would release that evidence if they move forward with charges.

    This is a very unique case. It's not common for someone who is millions behind on his taxes, who committed insane amounts of tax fraud (such as writing off prostitutes as business expenses), who was constantly engaged in human and sex trafficking, who acted as an unregistered foreign agent, who illegally acquired and carried a firearm, etc to just get an agreement signed by the DoJ that effectively gives them immunity from prosecution. It's absolutely insane and that is exactly what Biden and Garland's DoJ was trying to do. And it might be too late for them to take it back now. We will see how effective Hunter's motion to dismiss filing is.
     
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    Doesn't matter if the DOJ and the Defense signed it. The Court has to allow it, and the Court did not. For all the ****ery you point out, the Court refused to sign off.
    That means there's no deal.

    His way out on the gun charge is through Bruen, or a pardon. Either that or he was take what the Court demanded into account, and his lawyers and DOJ need to reform the plea.
    However: His lawyers said they would just invoke Bruen rather than reform the plea.
    This is just them trying on record to get the plea entered again. I don't think its going to work.
     
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    Not doubting you, just going to say we will see. Hunter's team cited some case law that I haven't dug into yet. This is the first time the DoJ has ever created such a corrupt immunity deal so I'm not sure how it will play out. Hunter's team did stress repeatedly that it was Biden's DoJ that was pushing so hard for them to get these deals that involved no consequences across the finish line.
     
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    Hunter's team cited the 5th circuit on the gun charge. Here's the thing though: The 5th circuit doesn't have jurisdiction in Delaware, and the Circuit which does does not like Bruen.
    It is most likely they'll toss him out with a balancing test, which should set up a nice circuit conflict needing scotus to sort it out.
     
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    I absolutely agree with you that the DOJ has created an amazingly corrupt immunity deal.....
    and I am sure that this is going to come back to haunt them in a huge way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Many Dems will be happy though.... because this gives them an opportunity to toss Joe under the bus and replace him .... perhaps with Newsom!
     
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    What “undisputed “ facts ? Is this the new rightie game ? Throw out a bunch of lies and then claim they’re “undisputed “ because everyone is laughing too hard to comment ?

    LMAO
     
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    I noticed you couldn't mention a single thing that wasn't true. LMAO.
     
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    Maybe because we are tired of Brandolinis law?
     
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    Yet another person who cannot explain which part was incorrect and supported by the facts. Too easy. It's just a sheer display of cognitive dissonance.
     
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    I am challenging EVERY assumption in the OP including “why should anyone care about someone who is NOT even remotely employed in the public sector, not running for any office, and does not intend to run for office”? Why is this relevant? I will say this though, the change in the charges do look like Weiss bowed to political pressure
     
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    It is sad how the partisan Democrats continue to lie and defend blatant criminality.
     
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    You mean like the partisan Republicans and MAGAs who continue to lie and defend blatant criminality to the tune of 91 felony indictments ?
    Who don't even want the trials to proceed and be adjudicated by a jury of Americans ?

    It really is sad how blind, partisan and power grubbing Republicans are. I'm not even going to discuss the MAGA types: they're beyond hope and just an evil we will have to live with.
     
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    You're challenging the truth by saying it's your personal opinion that it isn't relevant? And you're memes and uncited quotes and to defend this tactic? Nice try, but it won't work to persuade intelligent forum members.
     
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    What truths are listed in the OP ? You MAGA types have claimed that Hunter writing a check to Joe is evidence of influence peddling without a single finding of fact. Now you want to claim your own partisan opinions are truths ?

    Sure thing.
     
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    Still unable to cite anything wrong with it, just more whining about MAGA. Typical. Can't go on record disagreeing with a specific component out of fear of being proven wrong, so when it doubt whine about Trump and his supporters. It was humorous in the first 100 threads, now it's just annoyingly embarrassing for those who do it.
     
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    Still unable to list any truths in the OP just more whining about Hunter and the left. Typical. Can’t actually PROVE anything so just whine about the DOJ and the deep state. It was never humorous, just pathetic.
     
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    Still don't have the confidence to point out a claim that you believe is false. I've already put the information out there. All these responses are just whining about MAGA rather than sticking to the thread topic and directly contesting any points that were made. Typical. Feel free to point out what is "untrue." Or it will be an admission that you're just whining for the sake of whining. I partake in a lot of forums and threads. Responding to whining posts that have nothing intelligent to add or do not contribute to the content of the thread are a waste of my time. It's not hard to say, "this point is incorrect." The fact that you won't is an admission that you do not have any relevant contribution and cannot back up your position. Tribalism is not a valid excuse for these whining responses.
     
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    Still can’t list a truth ? This is like the new game the MAGAs have created : “You haven’t rebutted it so it’s true !”.

    Go ahead, post a truth, not an opinion. Go for it !
    The fact you won’t proves you have no truths.
     
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    Sigh. Pathetic and expected.

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    What “truth”?? Show me a real fact based “truth” starting with why a private citizen who does not and has never been in government should come under this level of scrutiny?
     
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    And no truth's. His number 1 under "undisputed facts" contains the word "alleged".
    Now that he's been called out, all he does is dance around moaning that the only response to his OP is complaints about MAGA.
    Well, that's a legit complaint when MAGA's don't offer up any facts or truths.

    You just can't make this stuff up.
    :roflol:
     
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    Trump says not paying taxed makes him smart

    and the gun charge, when did the right become so anti-gun?
     

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