I’m an Oregon rancher. Here’s what you don’t understand about the Bundy standoff

LOL …
translation:
You don't want to recognize the fact that public land is owned by the PUBLIC, i.e., guys like me ...

 

Yes …

A number of my congregants years ago raised cattle -- BEEF cattle -- on their own land …
They weren't freeloaders living at taxpayer expense, like the Bundy / Hammond guys ...

 

As I already remarked in a post above, farmers everywhere are in that quandary …

For EVERYTHING they buy, they pay "retail" prices …
For everything they SELL, they get "wholesale" price …

Whenever I can, I like to buy -- especially meat products -- from farmer owned cooperatives ...

 

Very good point …

There are indeed areas of the USA that should not be used for agriculture …
I remember my utter shock upon seeing lush perfect corn fields outside Phoenix back in 1973 … !!!

See, the smart rich aggressive white invaders over time tried to kill off the large animals in North America that were very well adapted to living here (bison, e.g.) … and instead brought in wimpy European beef cattle that don't do as well …

There are very large areas of The West that can't support profitable agriculture without extensive "management" (environmental degradation) of Nature …

If the Hammond / Bundy guys are are so close to the edge of failure because the (ecologically inappropriate) chosen location of their ecologically destructive farms and ranches was unwise, they can and should go elsewhere ...

 

There is nothing ignorant about overgrazing cattle and stealing water designated for wildlife. The biological impact and results that accompany these practices on federal land is indisputable. You are the one who remains ignorant, unless you can prove otherwise.

 

If there isn't enough land to raise cattle where ranchers have to steal tax payer land designated for other purposes, then what does that tell you? We need to be eating less beef, right?

 

You are ignoring him because you haven't a leg to stand on. We learned what this was about before the Bundy's and the Hammond's ever came around. It's old news. This land is privately owned by the tax payer,(the public), who pay the taxes on said land. Ranchers sometimes pay a fee to rent said land of which I am against. That said, the ranchers do not own the land, nor will they ever own it, because they couldn't afford the taxes on it. So what happens is, they become welfare ranchers off the backs of the owners, and now they want to complain that this is their land. Are they going to pay the taxes on this public land owned by us? Of course not! So "learning about what this is all about", was accomplished a long time ago boss.

 

Yes … As I noted (above), there are very large areas of The West that are simply not appropriate for large scale agriculture ...

 

Prove to me that terrorists such as these white supremacists have the legal right to take the law into their own hands.

 

That is really what all this is about. Now there target is wildlife refugees because ranchers need more land that is appropriate. So the stealing continues! But it will have to stop, because other refugees will be the target after this one. Unfortunately the Feds are going to have to make a stand against this land thieving that we pay for. Sorry, but these folks are going to have to find another line of work. There simply is not enough land for all ranchers to profit from at the expense of tax payers, while simultaneously compromising critical wildlife areas designated as such, that we pay for. The stealing will have to stop.

 

Yes … The "militia" guys' pretense of high minded devotion to "The Constitution" is nothing by greed greed and more greed ...

 

Well naturally! You and I both know their meaning of the Constitution. Lol! And probably knew it before they did.

 

Did you even read what I wrote? clearly not. I'm talking about the processing of the food, not the growing of the food. Who controls what happens to the ear or corn from the time it leaves the farm to the time it hits the stomach? Very little of the price of a box of cereal is the actual corn that went into the cereal. Most of it is everything else - the processing, distribution, marketing, retailing, etc, etc. And who do you think controls all that?

 

Exactly. That's cause there's a middleman. The larger the difference between wholesale and retail, and larger the profits of the middleman. And WHO do you think determines the difference between wholesale and retail? It's the middleman - which is a large corporation with a monopoly who gets to set both prices.

 

Thanks for this. It gives me a much clearer idea of what's going on with ranchers out West. I knew by instinct that individual government bureaucrats were causing these land problems out there, and this post showed me the details on how.

That said, these current rancher occupiers made threats. They are armed, and said they would use them if...some condition. I would respect their message more if they were unarmed, and they made the police drag them off. You have to use speech in this country. It is fundamental. The ranchers need to get out the OP's message through speech.

 

One of the many inconsistencies to be found in American liberalism is that they want free range meats but also want everyone to be forced to move into the cities in order to conserve energy. Which means they are both for and against ranchers.

 

So to summarize these self reliant hard working anti- government ranchers believe the American people should subsidize them by allowing free or low cost grazing on land owned by the American people. Have I got that about right.

 

We can understand that being a rancher is hard work and that profits are hard to come by but remember one simple fact. The rancher doesn't have any "right" to use federal land and if they don't want to deal with the "unfair, complicated and constantly evolving set of rules" required to use federal land then they don't have to.

It's not your land so get off the federal land and stop whining about it.

 

>>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<< Sometimes the opinions of those that oppose liberalism are so absurd and lacking in foundation that they defy any understanding.

 

Again, you have no clue what your talking about.
Market demand determines the price of beef, not processing plants.
These last two years, were record high prices for live cattle, Because the number of cattle is at its lowest since 1951. Feedlots, cattle trucks, and kill plants are just a long line of middle men between the consumer, and the rancher. Market demand, weather, and government regulation affect prices, not your mythical corporation. Just stop already.

 

Utter nonsense ...

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Yes &#8230;

I agree that very large areas of The West are unsuitable for agriculture, so yes, probably many ranches and farms *out*there* should be shut down ...

 

The ranch and the cattle are privately owned and are not affected by whether the government allows grazing on federal land or not.

I live across the street from a privately owned ranch and while the cattle are free to graze on that private ranch they also bring in hay to feed the cattle so that they can raise more cattle. They don't use any government land at all. Now I don't know what their "profit and loss" statement looks like but I'd assume they're making enough money to keep the ranch operating and have been for decades.

 

LOL &#8230; That sums up their demand very nicely ...

 

Thanks!

 

One of the ("well-regulated") Bundy "militia" creeps was arrested in town driving a STOLEN truck belonging to The U. S. Fish & Wildlife Service &#8230;

Just can't make this stuff up &#8230;

But I hope, hope, hope that somewhere a clever writer right now is working up a screenplay recounting "The Animal House Adventures of the Bundy Militia" ...