I’m a neocon!

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  1. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not sure what you're asking. The leftists are socialists and communists. Antifa-terrorists are comprised of those groups, plus left-leaning anarchists.

    There are right-leaning anarchists also. I haven't heard of any of them being sympathetic to the Antifa-terrorists. They mostly belong to so-called militia groups.
     
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    I do not measure "liberty" in that juxtaposition anymore than I measure Christianity or islam by the conduct of Christians and muslims.
     
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    Neocons are big liberal government loving, international banker whoring scourge.
     
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    The left hate neocons because they are converts from traditional liberalism. Hence why they are new conservatives, focus on foreign policy.

    The traditional left see neocons as competition because, as you noted, you're socially liberal, but foreign policy isolationist. To the real liberals, you're dangerous to their otherwise intent on global dominion.
     
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    They have the same goals, big authoritarian government and global dollar hegemony enforced by the SWIFT and the military.
    Control of international commerce, conducted in dollars (or a replacement currency under the control of their banker pimps) is the name of the game.
     
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    It's more to do with how centrist politics is false. You can't condemn someone for being honest and admitting it. Naff all to do with liberalism mind you.
     
  7. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    That is a highly ignorant thing to say. It is little more than idle trash talk from a conservative who never has anything nice to say.
     
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    It's true, though.
     
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    Neocons like to pretend that they were liberals who left the Democratic Party because it became too radical for them. Yet we know that is was Johnson's great society that sent them fleeing. It is the same issues that define them to this day, their opposition to income and racial equality. So obviously they were never liberals. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that neocons enjoy and celebrate the fact that there are homeless people, especially people of color.
     
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    As soon as Trump tells his minions to be neocons...they will of course be that
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Are you talking about lil' Bush's war for profit on Iraq?
     
  12. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Vietnam, both Iraq, Afghanistan...
     
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    And our little adventures in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine
     
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    I agree, Clinton, Kerry and Obama are not liberals. But they are neocon, authoritarian banker whores
     
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    The point of neoconservatism was to move to the RIGHT of the conservatism of the time. As was the point of neoliberalism.

    As a result of their nonsense we’re in a radical place; vertical supply chains, subsidizing big business at every level of government, monopolization, non-competitive markets, low top tax rates, outsourcing our government—outsourcing our security.

    Liberals and Conservatives of the past were never this radically extreme.

    What in the hell do you believe brought us Don the Con? The move of both party’s to the RIGHT especially economically that left most of the country behind. Obviously we’re pissed and confused.

    We’re long overdue for a realignment but that’s on us. Hopefully we’ll break through in 2020.
     
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    Central America...
     
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    Neoliberalism has an economic definition. Neocons could only dream of such folly.
     
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    Either abortion is good or bad. "late term" has nothing to do with anything.
     
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    Not quite true. International empirical evidence has shown that pro-choice has reduced abortion demand. So its really 'either choice is good or bad'
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe it. Sorry.
     
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    e.g. Benagiano and Pera (2000, Decreasing the need for abortion: challenges and constraints, International Journal of Gynecology & Obstetrics, 70: 35-48 ):
    "Voluntary abortion is the most controversial act in the entire field of medical practice, although today, it is a practice that, under different conditions, has been legalized in more than 100 countries, mostly in the developed world. The United Nations has agreed that in no case should abortion be promoted as a method of family planning and, therefore, it should be utilized only when contraception has failed. Overall, 61% of humanity lives in countries where abortion is legal and widely available; 14% in countries where termination is allowed to protect a woman’s health; physical, mental, or both; 21% in countries where it can be performed only to save the mother’s life and 4% in countries where abortion is not permitted at all. Restrictive legislation, per se, does not represent a valid deterrent to prevent abortion, while it may contribute to an increase in morbidity and mortality associated with pregnancy. In addition, because abortion is outlawed, nothing is done to actively reduce the reasons leading to it. Indeed, the countries with the lowest abortion rates are those where, on the one hand, pregnancy termination is legal and, on the other, sex education and contraceptive knowledge are widely spread."
     
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    Just prattle. No data.
     
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    That's the abstract. It is an empirical study. Sorry that the evidence doesn't suit!
     

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