I thanked an anti American Norwegian bigot on Facebook and got warned

Of course, I knew you wouldn't accept my advice.

 

I will take this one one "how have Trumpers made this country an s-hole".

It is both red and blue establishment (and Trump is in lockstep with the establishment - international financiers, political elite, deep state bureaucrats) that have been moving this country towards a quazi totalitarian police state.

You asked me to comment only on the red side so I will restrict further comment to red.

Red "HATES" individual liberty - as does Trump. This nation was founded on the principle that individual liberty was "ABOVE" the legitimate authority of Gov't. If you do not understand this principle you are not alone. 12 years of school and we manage not to teach our "FOUNDING Principle". Ever heard the slogan "Give me liberty or Give me death" ?

Franklin had this to say "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security"

I can go more into theory but Jefferson sums it up nicely in reference to essential liberty.

This means the Gov't (Fed, State, Muni) has zero legitimate authority to make any law messing with individual liberty of it's own volition.
Nor does simple majority mandate bestow this authority. If this were the case there would be no point in putting essential liberty "ABOVE" the legitimate authority of Gov't.

In term of a referendum (which should be the minimum bar) 2/3's minimum is required to mess with liberty. Both Classical Liberalism and Republicanism refer to using a 50+1 bar as "Tyranny of the Majority". Respect for individual liberty is supposed to be sacrosanct.

Pot - why has Sessons come out and restarted the drug war. This is not belief in liberty - this is belief "only" in liberty for things the Trump admin agrees with.

Asset forfeiture - A violation of the Rule of Law (innocent until proven guilty - one person not to be punished for the actions of another)

FISA - Legalization of spying on Americans without legitimate cause - going against what Rand Paul and other Red congress put forward (the few who actually have some respect for liberty)

Abortion - Trump has yet to legislate but his MVP (Mandatory Vaginal Penetration) candidate Mike Pence is a piece of human garbage who hates individual liberty. Whether one is personally in favor of abortion is not the issue. There is a difference between having a personal believe and forcing that belief on others through physical violence (which is what making a law does). As such .. one needs a legitimate argument that justifies forcing ones belief on another and there simply isn't one for any who claim to have any respect for individual liberty . FULL STOP. Now the ave Joe (given the lack of education described above) is not going to get it but I expect our elected officials to.

The bottom line with abortion is that "Experts Disagree" as to whether not a single human cell (zygote) can be legitimately classified as a "Living human" such that destruction of this cell constitutes murder. (The reality is that very few experts disagree and those that do think it is legitimate have no legitimate argument BUT - even giving the other side the benefit of the doubt they still lose badly)

This is not a question of personal morals but one of law. Since there are two sides here the rights of either must be weighed on the scales of Justice. One one side you have the rights of a woman to here own body - a heavy weight in a nation who's number one principle is respect for individual liberty.

What is on the other side ? How do we value "Experts disagree = We don't know" ? It is no contest .. The rights of the woman by default - Regardless of one's moral outlook.

Trump wants increased Gov't and Police powers which obviously comes at the expense of decreased individual liberty. We have already covered arbitrary search and seizure in part above - this will increase under Trump. His defense of Police Brutality is well known and Trump has never met a dirty cop he does not like (except when that cop is targeting him personally)

Trump has said nothing on the "Patriot Act" The act which makes it our patriotic duty to give up individual liberty.

Land the the free home of the brave is now land of the quazi totalitarian police state - home of those on their knees begging to give up individual liberty over a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking" - you heard me correctly.

I can continue and in fact am just getting started ... these are not Patriots - Full Stop. They Hate the main principle on which this nation was founded and the Rule of Law.

Feel free do ask me to do a similar dissertation on how the left is just as bad if not worse. The difference being that at least the left is not the party our there claiming to be the defenders of Liberty.

 

LINOS RHINOS bullcrap labels designed by the lazy to communicate their derision and the worthlessness of others opinions and perspectives.

Nobody like it, everybody does it.

 

Come on, O-Steveo, tell us what you really posted.

 

It wasn't advice, it was an uninformed opinion. I suggested you reread your source material upon which you formulated your opinion.

Perhaps in that fashion you could reaffirm your opinion with reference to specifics instead of merely throwing it out there as a definitive statement of opinion unsupported by anything other than the title of thumbnail image of abook your purported to read.

A subtle and nuanced difference the extent of which, perhaps, prevents you from grasping my point in the first place. That or I am once again guilty of being a tad to obscure for some.

 

My "source material" is your posts. In which you are constantly smearing people as being "fascist". You're being tedious.

 

When it comes to constructing a software platform, you can bet if it ain't "blatant" it doesn't get coded, period. Ask anyone who has direct experience of large scale software development and its production and management processes, since you can't very well trust me or my own direct experiences in this matter.

 

The most mind bending example was the claim that exposing the truth about the DNC and the Hilly Campaign hurt our electoral process.

So ... riddle me this one. How exactly does the voter knowing "the Truth" prior to casting a vote harm our electoral process ?

This claim is so obviously preposterous and nonsensical that one would think that it might have been challenged by the MSM as it came up often. Nope - Silence. One would think that a program by the name of "Hardball" might have noted the obvious. Nope ... kindergarten league softball is a better analogy.

The bigger issue however is not "Russia Meddling" but how the DNC's actions against Sanders and the MSM marginalization of Sanders (regardless of whether one likes or dislikes the guy). It was disgustingly biased (never mind what happened to Trump - and I hate Trump)

The narrative is what ever the Establishment dictates... supporting various "necessary Illusions" and the various false narratives put out there.
I suppose I should define "Establishment" = (international financiers, political elite, deep state bureaucrat's)

Since it is these folks that own the MSM .. it is no surprise that they control the narrative. The situation is far worse than what Eisenhower predicted during his exit speech when he warned about the Military Industrial Complex.

There is no legitimate democratic process when there is no fair an free media. Abduction of the MSM is a main part of the path towards totalitarianism - quazi totalitarianism.

People make the mistake of thinking this should look like Stalin or Hitler. Well ... Stalin and Hitler did not look so bad in the early phases either. ... nor should we expect it to be the same as these other examples.

This time is different. For one it is far more insidious and the main actors are far more difficult to identify as is the process by which we are being sodomized. It is like rape with a bag over your head so you do not know who the assailant is

 

No no. I am not constantly "smearing" people as racist. I am careful to be specific about who i am talking about. You should have at least been able to recognize my qualifiers.

Now many object when I say something like "fascist racist radical right wingers and nativists and bigots" because the majority of conservative bigots are as offended by the fascist scum as I am and immediately reject any association.

so they resent being called out for having some alignment in their perspectives. Mainly their racism or bigotry.

Identifying racists by name is not a smear. It is a statement of fact. I can't help it that many resent being called what they are.

Any of those that I may mistakenly consider a racist or bigot or a member of the scumbaggery segment of the right, I humbly apologize for past indiscretions and future. But in the interim, I'm completely comfortable in both strategy and approach.

Yes, I am tedious. I have just as much animus and persistence against racists and the scumbags as they have for others, including myself (which I consider a merit badge in consideration of the source.)

 

Pence is human garbage? Well, Obama was a pile of sh-t with a perverted ideology.

 

to show just how full of **** this post is. Show me the post you made against obama spying on Americans.

 

He said he'd get a link to the FB thread.
Has been back in this thread, but did not give a link to said FB thread. Yet.

 

Good for Facebook.

 

Agreed. The difference between my claim and yours however is that I state "Why" pence is a piece of human garbage rather than just sitting in the peanut gallery shouting out insults (like you are doing).

If you like I can explain to you why Obama is a POS in case you ever want to back up your naked claim.

 

see how pointless such excoriation is? Skoolyard emotionally satisfying nonsense of zero actual merit REGARDLESS of the side doing it.

Not that it is ever going to stop. Its built into human nature.

 

You asked for his opinion and not for the other. Now you can't handle it? Wow.

 

I have made at least 50 posts in relation to Obama supporting Spying on Americans.

Obama is a piece of human garbage like the rest of the establishment clowns.

 

sure just link one of your 50

 

Your constant labeling of people with hateful, bigoted smears renders your opinions and posts devoid of credibility or value.

 

No problem. You need only agree that when I waste my time proving what you ask that you will beg for forgiveness for not addressing the substance of my post and for supporting an anti patriotic cause that hates the main principle on which this nation was founded.

 

um no. I would never beg a lefty...for anything. Either back your statement up...or dont.

 

I am not a lefty nor am I dumb enough to bother wasting a fair bit of time looking through hundreds of old posts for something - given the length of time you have been on there - that you should have already read.

Further .. since you are not willing to correct yourself on the basis of being proven false ... what is the point ?

 

Here is one (see below) ... Now apologize for your ignorant an fallacious response to my well thought out post ... and respond to the content rather than attacking the messenger.

 

im proven false when you prove me false until then excuse me while I celebrate a NE PATRIOTS SPECTACULAR WIN!

 

My ancestors came here and wanted to be American. They didn't want free stuff.