I truly do fear for our country, just as an American

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  1. vman12

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    Wait until they realize they need food.
     
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    Liberalism is.. you're right. However progressivism right from satans brain to Marx's pen now it's here and needs to be exterminated by shedding the light of truth on it.
     
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    I feel sorry for people like you, you live in an alternate universe where you ignore facts and believe what the liberal media and the leftwing politicians spews all day. They are the ones lying and dividing the Country and why? because they have no real basis to actually attack Trump's policies or results.

    How is USA doing overall?

    unemployment at records lows - 3.5% (record unemployment for blacks, latinos)
    Border security tightened, well overdue
    We have destroyed ISIS, taken out it's leader
    Better relations with North Korea, Trump has essentially tamed Kim
    We are finally taking on China, who has been taking advantage of US for years. Many former presidents complained, did nothing
    We are finally asking other Countries to pay their fair share, NATO as an example
    Rise in manufacturing, confidence in private sector due to Trump's policies of de-regulating and providing an environment for private sector to thrive
    Stock market are record highs
    Trump bringing troops back from policing the world
    passed criminal justice reform
    tax relief
    backing military and law enforcement when many on the left attack police and want to weaken military

    the list goes on. The media knows the Country is doing better than during Obama years, MUCH BETTER so what is their strategy? talk about bogus investigations - Russia Hoax, Stormy Daniels, Ukraine and falsely claim hate crimes are on the rise (a lie and proven to be a lie by stats). The media is dividing, brainwashing and you are a sample victim who instead of realizing we are doing so well (and be happy about it) you believe all the lies and for that, lose sleep... poor you.
     
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    If you want to talk about honor and decency, I would remind you of who the last Democratic nominee for president was. As for the Constitution, it is the left - not the right - that seeks to curtail freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the free exercise of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms.

    Like I said, it's a two-way street.
     
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    There really aren't any blue states. Instead, there are blue cities. You want to break up the Union? Fine. You get every blue county, not state - county. Your "blue nation" will consist of big cities. The "red nation" gets all of the red counties. Your blue nation will neither be able to feed itself, nor will it have gasoline, diesel, natural gas, or electricity. Enjoy your new "blue nation".
     
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    Why did you leave out the best parts?
    Manufacturing is in recession
    Trillion dollar annual deficits
    Slowing economy
    Three fed rate reductions in 2019
    Calls for negative interest rates
    Stagnate wages for the middle class
    Tax cuts that are only permanent for the rich
    Loss of world respect - Kim is flying missiles as of last week btw
    A billion dollar border wall that is being sawed through with hand saws
    The “russia hoax” that saw dozens of people around trump arrested

    Surely there is a reason you left all that out, right?
    You are surely not acting like the evil msm and pushing a fictitious narrative, right?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeh, about that...

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    Removing blue cities now make those blue cities the largest economy in the world.
    Red cities would be hovering around 12th.

    Pretty sure the blue areas could afford to import food but the red areas would be kicked back into the 1900’s.
     
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    Enjoy your new "blue nation" of blue counties election-2016-county-map.png .

    Hope ya all like pineapples.
     
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    Unemployment at records low = people working two jobs each to make ends meet due to income inequality. Part time jobs. It's a detail that's left out when we mention this unemployment number.
    Migrant crossing increased under Trump in 2017, when he had all of Washington to push through funding and execution of the wall.
    North Korea has not agreed to any sentiment that would include denuclearization. Bush Jr took a trip to North Korea in 2005 to do the same thing Trump did, denuclearization talks. I
    Taking on China? It's been more of a retaliatory tariff war that almost hurt farmers with soybean tariffs. China hasn't necessarily laid off on tariffs for cheap knick-knacks yet.
    Hold on, it was bad when Obama withdrew troops from Iraq but okay when Trump withdraws troops from Syria, allowing ISIS fighters in captivity to escape? ISIS wasn't even fully defeated. So no, ISIS is not fully destroyed.
    The tax relief has left to a massive national deficit, which is what is leading economists to pinpoint to a potential recession next year.

    Speaking of manufacturing, how successful was Trump is persuading Mary Barra to reopen Lordstown? I'm not seeing cars coming out of that plant. Carrier hasn't broken ground either, nor has Foxconn in Wisconsin. You might ask the affected GM workers how good they think manufacturing is doing in our country. Btw, to get those jobs back, you would have to go to war with technology, not trade deals. Robots are not a result of trade deals, they are computers. I come from a heavily blue collar town, and I can tell you the only way you would get those jobs back would be to attack automation. To go back in time by a couple decades at least.

    Speaking of the stock market, the DOW fell 400 points overnight at the beginning of this year. Investors are heavily weary of this bull market that's been going on for over ten years now (the stock market was showing signs of a resurgence starting in 2012, but its been tracked since the end of the great recession).

    All I told you is literally from flipping through every source on the internet, staying up on the news, no the country is not doing better. Plus a guy Trump campaigned for in Kentucky last night just lost. This is Kentucky, Moscow Mitch's state.

    If anything, our country has only grown more unsafe, and we only have more of a reason to look over our backs when out in public. Walmart just stood up to the NRA. Lose Walmart, and the NRA has lost one of its biggest allies.

    What I said in 2016 rings true nearly four years later. Put someone with absolutely no government experience in office, expect the country to be set on fire. And its happened.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Mmm, I'd say the people who need that more are the people at the Trump rallies. Who buy every word Trump says.

    Feel free to share the meme with them.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Well yeah, the film and fashion industries bring in billions per year in revenue. And it comes from so called "communist states" like California and New York. Multi-billion dollar companies like NBC Universal invest in New York's economy. While 2018 was weak and really didn't deliver any results out of the ordinary, it should serve as a warning shot to the people who think Trump will win in a landslide again.

    I've never grieved, because I think America can be restored. We just need to get sewer dwellers like Trump out of office, and put someone who can speak intelligently in office.
     
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    Except our very own coveted intelligence agencies confirmed there was interference in the 2016 election. And still have yet to be proven wrong.

    I'm no fan of Clinton, but I can tell you she's been proven correct on two fronts. One is Trump being a Russian puppet. She has been proven correct, the meeting in Helsinki and the closed door meetings Trump has had with Putin make Trump Putin's perfect lap dog. Second is the infamous "Basket of Deplorable's" comment. A Hispanic man was just beaten up and told to go back to his own country. None of the pipe bombs Cesar Sayoc sent were to right wing individuals. The El Paso shooter lists Trump in his manifesto. I hate to say it, but time has proven Hillary was absolutely correct. Uncomfortably correct.
     
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    So , uh, look America. I have to raise your taxes to 40%. For America. 'nuff said.
     
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    You have actual evidence of this from unbiased sources?

    Thought not.
     
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    Thomas Jefferson couldn't even speak intelligently. Nor could Abraham Lincoln.
     
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    The history of the world tells us that superior technology wins wars.
     
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    Well constructed post.. Breath of fresh air really!
     
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    Wow, you are wrong again :) No war is won until the boots are on the ground and all the ones hiding in holes are exterminated..
     
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    I have never committed to a "Trump is perfect" modus operandi. I believe ALL people do thing they perhaps should not have done whether by design or mistake. I simply can not understand why anyone would support a proven criminal H Clinton. A woman so obviously vile in character and behaviour she is, by default, an example of a person your children should be told how standards are so low in the USA.
    My number one hero is Muhammad Ali... I virtually worship him. But, if it was established that he behaved as H Clinton has (I include covering and lying for her husband) I would dump all my valuable Ali stuff in the bin.
    There must be standards in public office. Ali did not take an oath to serve his country. Clintons did. I would not care if she promised me $1000 dollars a day if she was elected, my personal standards for people in high public office are extant and I want and only support people of good character and certainly not a person who has behaved as a serious criminal offender.
    I accept many people don't care what she and Billy boy has done but I do. I tell my children... this is not a person you should admire or strive to admire. Integrity is everything.
     
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    No, he's not wrong. Technology wins wars now.

    How many boots were on the ground when Japan surrendered? About zero, but you didn't know that.
     
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    Prove it. And how do Blue States have "superior technology"? And even with "superior technology" you can't win without manpower.
     
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    It never amazes me how you on the left and your leftwing media who tries to promote your views can take something so positive, so good and make it appear rotten. These are the lengths you all have will go to, you cannot even admit 3.5% unemployment with record unemployment for the minorities you champion is a great thing. This is how low you all have descended. Doesn't surprise me, this is what the media does 24/7, they will cover anything positive in the most dull way possible, give it 2 secs of airtime and take any little harmless thing and make it out to be end of the word and cover it 24 hours.


    Largely due to encouragement from liberals and organizations funded by people like Soros, those were organized events and all for political purposes which shows the degradation of politics. You all wish chaos and try to create chaos, to make president Trump look bad. Those caravans were a political circus and once again, media covered it in the worst possible way. Don't you worry, Trump is forward looking, he is building a wall and admit or refuse to admit it, he is tightening border security.

    and no reasonable person expected that to happen. Nuclear weapons are Kim's defense, otherwise he risks being toppled by any foreign power, remember Saddam? Having said this, Kim has largely retreated into a cave, being quiet, stopped insulting the US and threatening us and has flirted with making deals with Trump. This is a first step, baby steps. If Obama had met with Kim, worked with him to tone down rhetoric, at least engage in talks you would be here creating threads - 'GIVE OBAMA NOBEL PEACE PRICE, NOW!' but since it's trump, just as you do with the unemployment data, you somehow make it all rotten. Shame on you man and shame you you liberals who do this.

    You can go back in time, do a little YouTube video discovery as you sip a cup of tea of coffee, or drink a beer or cup of wine. You will see former presidents call out China, from Obama, Bushes, Clinton... speak harshly about China and promise to do something about it. What did they do? NOTHING and i'll tell you why. As you can see, it takes cojones to do what Trump is doing, something former presidents lacked. They all considered being tough on China but didn't have the courage, fearing China may retaliate. Well, what needs to be done, needs to be done. The fact is that the US economy is largely doing not just well but VERY WELL. China? Struggling like they haven't in decades and trust me, China will strike a deal with US. When that happens, i know you will find a way to make it rotten and again i will tell you 'shame on you'. Have the courage to give credit where credit is due.

    Shame on you again. When Obama took troops out, ISIS was on the rise, Obama was warned by his own military and he laughed it of and called ISIS 'JV' team. How did that turn out? Trump has decimated ISIS, ISIS has lost control of almost everything they controlled during Obama years and Trump took out their leader. ISIS has been destroyed but what you fail to comprehend is timing. When Obama took troops out, Iraq wasn't ready to combat ISIS, no-one was. Now, ISIS has many enemies and the Iraqi forces have defeated them in many areas, the ME has now built up forces to fend of ISIS and defeated them and president Trump got the timing right, something Obama got very wrong. You pull out, but at right time.

    This is largely true, manufacturing will never go back to what it was, largely due to automation and policies that allow US companies to seek cheap labor abroad. Having said this, Trump has created an environment where he has attempted to provide incentives for companies to bring back jobs or disincentivize them from shipping jobs abroad. There was a manufacturing job surge in US after Trump took office and though some of it has faded, we can't ignore that several large well known companies (boeing, ford, intel, GE, Apple and many more) announced reshoring projects. This may be futile given what you mention but i give him credit for trying harder than former presidents, you give him none. Shameful.

    Shame on you again. Just like you make a 3.5% unemployment number rotten, so can you make record stock market level rotten. You liberals have no shame in what you do, to just look for every negative in every crevice but ignore the positives right in front of you, all over, it's shameful and largely discredits you, in a big way.

    that candidate was very unpopular, everyone knows that, you missed out on that fact. Trump cannot save every republican but it's a .3 pt race.

    Shame you AGAIN for making it sound like every Country is doing better when it's hard to pick any Country with a stronger economy and a Country that produces, innovates as much as the US. Not only is US doing well, it is killing it, our Country is doing GREAT and facts show it. If Obama were president today, you would be flooding the forum talking about how amazing economy is doing and making a long list as to why we are doing so great. Of course, Trump is president and you suffer from Trump deranged syndrome so you cannot make yourself admit anything is right. What a shame.

    all untrue and the evidence is plentiful, all over. I have already made you a list, provided a body of evidence to show you how well Country is doing. These are hard facts but throw all of it aside, what you see from the media and democrats pretty much confirms what i set forth. When they spend 99.999% of the time on bogus investigations, from the Russia HOAX to Stormy Daniels, to Ukraine and trying to find crimes where there aren't any, it's a tell tell sign that they are in trouble. Reminds me so much of when Country was doing so well under Bill Clinton and republicans tried to impeach him. At least back them a special counsel found Bill Clinton guilty on 11 counts (citing 11 grounds for impeachment), Mueller couldn't find Trump guilty one a single count. If what we see today from the media and democrats isn't evidence enough that they think they cannot defeat Trump, i don't know what is. The reason they are so worried about 2020 and desperately trying to impeach Trump is definitely not due to Country 'not' doing well.
     
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    The fabric of our society was undermined long before Trump stepped onto the stage. Our nation is not strong like it once was. The people have lost their way. This was a nation founded on respect for individual liberty. "Give me liberty or given me death"

    Founder Franklin "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.

    What do you think Ben would say about the majority of US citizens today .. a people on their knees in fear - begging to give up essential liberty for security from a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "walking" - you heard correctly.

    "Give me liberty or death" has not been transformed into " It is our Patriotic Duty to give up liberty for security"

    Trump didn't do this - although he is continuing the march towards a quazi totalitarian police nanny state.
     
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    "Values we hold dear" ... Like what ? The founding principles - that individual liberty is above the legitimate authority of Gov't ?

    The citizens are on their knees - "begging" to trade essential liberty for security - it is now our "Patriotic Duty" to give up liberty.

    Most citizens these days don't know what the founding principles are - never mind adhere to them.
     
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    No one was spying, the DOJ wasn't out digging up dirt on police, Obama called one stupid cop, stupid

    The rest is a lot of lying and fables

    Maybe links to these delusions?
     

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