IDF jets strike Gaza

Just do what I tried to do and pull it back on topic?

 

See Post # 753.

 

Dunno then. Persist?

 

No, West Bank is under occupation, ruled by foreign military law.

I have to ignore the rest of your post to make this part perfectly clear.

Occupation is not peace.

Continued property theft by a foreign power is not peace. It is not peace when bulldozers plow down your house.

It may be that Palestine has been amazingly non-violent, but DO NOT mistake that for peace.

 

You are suggesting that Israel should have the right to ethnic cleansing operations against West Bank on the grounds that there are other nations with Arab populations???

I really can't think of anything more absurd you could possibly suggest.

 

If you want to argue for changing the borders or even for a single state solution, fine. There could be reasons for that.

But, you are sounding like you are backing ethnic cleansing - the theft and destruction of private property, the removal of people from the land.

And, that is NOT fine - that is a well recognized humanitarian crime.

 

Palestine has already stated, REPEATEDLY, that Israel is permanent and they will live with Israel in peace within secure borders.

NO nation is going to turn over to an unnamed arbiter the task of setting that nation's borders.

Palestine IS a nation - recognized by over 130 nations and having observer status as a state with the UN. The problem is the occupation and ethnic cleansing.

Suggesting that "aid money" is more important than the issues of occupation and ethnic cleansing is idiotic.

 

This is total and absolute nonsense.

Palestine has stated repeatedly that Israel is permanent. It is a foundation of the unity government formed last winter by President Abbas.

Palestine is not at war. Nothing President Abbas has done over the years of his presidency could POSSIBLY be interpreted as war.

The IDF states that Abbas has not incited Palestinians at any time and has always been their primary partner in security.


Now, YOU come along and think your nonsense controverts the IDF as well as everything that has been happening in the region for YEARS!!

Unbelievable!

 

Is that all you have to counter the quotes and links to official documents I gave proving otherwise?

 

but then Hamas won the Parliamentary election, and they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

no declaration is worth anything if the government refuses to enforce it.

 

I guess its only fine when its done to Jews.

 

No the exact opposite and your repeating the above fabrication won't make it true. It is fact that Mr. Abbas is on public record over and over again stating the only way he will recognize Israel is if it takes in 5 million Muslims calling themselves "Palestinians" . This means he will only recognize the state if it ceases to being Jewish. He has said that not once, not twice but so many times it is absolutely absurd for you to come on this board and state otherwise. He stood up in his assembly clapping as his members chanted death to Israel. He has stated his mandate is to take back both Israel and Jordan and turn them into the Palestinian state along with the West Bank and Gaza. Why don't you read the PA constitution calling for the Sharia law state and where it will be situate.

As for your even attempting to suggest Hamas who is in a physical state of war with Israel recognizes Israel is past idiotic. Hezbollah, Hamas,, Islamic Jihad, for that matter ISIL, Al Quaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood and Lebanon and Syria as we speak are in a state of war with Israel and so is Iran.

What planet are you on?

 

No, it's wrong when it is done to anyone.

And, yes, it has been done to Jews.

But, the fact that it is wrong does not come from who the perp or the victim is. Wrong is wrong.

Nobody gets a pass for committing crimes simply for having once been a victim.

 

Your succession of rational posts gives me faith that not all American's are slavish followers of Israeli fascism and are able to discern reality from bullcrap. I visited Seattle a few years back and it was my favourite of all the cities I visited in the States mainly because all the people I met their were cool and tuned in.

 

If you want to quote Abbas, then quote Abbas.

Abbas has recognized Israel's status as a permanent state. He HAS said he will not recognize Israel "as a Jewish state".

The idea of having a state that gives special preference to one religion or ethnicity is not something that the US likes, either.

Abbas has special reason for making the distinction in that Israel has a large population of Palestinians and Israel has taken its "Jewish state" idea to justify apartheid.


Your "take back Israel" thing is BS. You need to move away from BS.

Hamas has recognized Israel's permanence as well. It was, for example, a requirement for them to accede to the unity government of Abbas, which they did last winter.

The blockade of Gaza is a continuing act of war. So, it is absolutely the case that there is an ongoing war. War can not possibly be considered to be over until no such blockade exists. It's a simple matter of definition.

 

I only hope we can live up to that.

And, there are a lot of great places in the US, so it's unfortunate if that didn't work out for you.

 

I did in post #701 where he states the PA Convent which calls for the destruction of Israel is relevant. In post #700 I quote one of senior ministers who states it has not nor will it ever be changed.

I also showed you the Palestinian and Arab League declaration of war in post #748.

You, well you have shown nothing save your unwillingness to deal with those hate filled quotes and facts,

 

...always women eh? (or kids)


https://www.rt.com/news/318335-idf-shoots-hrw-employee-protest/

A Human Rights Watch (HRW) researcher wearing a Press vest was shot and wounded along with seven Palestinian protesters by Israeli security forces in the occupied West Bank. HRW says the shooting was unprovoked, as protesters posed “no imminent threat.”


The female research assistant, whose name has not been disclosed, was looking into the recent escalation of violence between Israelis and Palestinians. She was attending the demonstration to observe the behaviour of both the Palestinian protesters and Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) during the standoff.


https://www.rt.com/news/318335-idf-shoots-hrw-employee-protest/

Cue machine of denials and excuses....

 

Nothing was edited, and I have other interviews with Regev where he admits the same. Are you suggesting he is lying? Israel broke the cease-fire. There were no rocket attacks from Gaza at the time.

 

It is against international law to acquire territory through war.

 

If you are the attacker not if you are attacked. When are the Brits giving back the Falklands by the way?

 

The retention and/or acquisition of land through war? Effectively and legally, yes. Read the third line: http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/7D35E1F729DF491C85256EE700686136

 

Yes, but they simply do not believe that international law applies to them. That's for the goyim.

 

Nope. There is no distinction made. It is illegal; full stop.

 

International law is only for the weak