if not God then who/what?

You are presupposing that God has all the frailties of humankind. Quite a leap of faith on your part.

 

We were created. That was not made up.

 

yeah, by your mom and dad.

what more do you need to know?

 

And all were created by a god or God or something.

 

OK, we were "created" or whatever you want to call it.......doesn't mean there is a "god"......MOST humans have progressed beyond explaining things they don't understand to """ the "gods" did it"""".

I don't understand half the stuff my computer does but I won't believe there's a "god" controlling it.

 

There is a someone/something out there who created us. The computer is easy to understand.

 

I don't agree. There is no convincing evidence of intelligent creation of life that I have seen.

 

Okay. Then how were we created? By random chance?

 

why do you HAVE to know?

can't you live your life without knowing everything?

jeez, just live life and be happy.

 

I don't know, but that seems the most likely explanation to me at present. BTW by "we" I assume you mean living organisms in general.

 

Random chance flies in the face of the argument I linked.

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Ignore my posts then.

 

How so? Despite its attempt to pretend otherwise, that link is about the creation of the universe, not life on Earth.

 

Can't have an earth without the universe. Both must be created. Same theory applies.

 

Yup, the computer is easy to understand for my computer guy......I'm not a computer guy (nor do I want to be)....


When I tell my computer guy that there's an evil being, a nasty tiny man, in my computer that's giving me trouble he just laughs....but he can't prove there ISN'T so I guess there is Right?

 

Even if that site proved the universe was created (and I dont think it does), that does not in ny way preclude evolution.

 

You don't know that.

 

The evidence points to that direction, yes. The evidence, collected by renowned scientists who have published peer reviewed and studied hypothesis supporting their claims. Astrophysicists, biologists, geologists, astronomers, and 97% of all scientists from all scientific fields support this.

And the best part about the above statement is that those same scientists will not claim to you with 100% certainty their findings. They have a really good idea of how certain processes in the universe may have likely happened, but they won't say for certain because they can't yet.

And that's the best part about science, we continually strive for more knowledge and develop new technologies in the process.

Religion = God did it. Not good enough, not good enough at all. And I'm even open to the possibility of a creator, just not the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) propelled by organized religion.

 

Okay. Then if the data in my link is incorrect, how were we/the universe created?

I still maintain that you cannot have earth without creation just as you cannot have the universe without creation.

 

Then you can something out of nothing? That is not physically possible.

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We know something cannot appear from nothing.

 

Bejabbers. How many times are we going to have to go over this? All this is, is Aquinas" old "Prime Mover" or "First Cause" restated. And just like that old 12th century homily it begs the same question. (Please excuse the Caps, but maybe if I shout the Christians here will listen, though I doubt it.

OKAY, GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE, NOW WHO CREATED GOD

And remember, just shouting Blasphemy and having the Inquisition haul me off is no longer an option, much as most of the Christians on here would like it to be.

 

I thought I'd given my answer to this already... well, my answer is I don't know how the universe was created. I don't even know if the universe was created in any way, let alone by an intelligent supernatural being. I've said in many a thread that I don't claim to know for sure that God didn't do it. All I know is that I don't think a god did it because there's no decent evidence of that.

 

You don't have to go over anything if it bothers you this much.
So who created the universe? It simply didn't appear. But if you ask where God came from then we are back to having to accept a the existence of a supernatural being.

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Fair enough. Thank you.

 

No, we dont even really, truly comprehend what "nothing" might even be in reality.

 

Sure we do. Prove otherwise. Do you need me to link the definition of 'nothing' now? Please.

 

Yet something from nothing is exactly what you believe since God had to come from somewhere too. And I don't buy into any of that cop-out nonsense where you try to say that God is separate or that God has always existed, because first off, you're just making that up and don't actually know anything, and secondly, that violates the very same principle you're using to discredit a scientific explanation for origins.

If God can be everlasting, so can the energy that began the universe.