Nixon had many lies go out through the airwaves - "I'm not a crook!" and denying that the U.S. had toppled the elected Chilean head-of-state as two examples. Hell, even President Eisenhower got caught up in a large public lie. And I understand what you're saying, I experienced that growing up when Clinton made his infamous spiel, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" I remember my dad getting a kick out of it and laughing his ass off when Clinton admitted that yes, he did indeed have sexual relations with that woman But it wasn't until much later that I realized and comprehended the systematic use of lies, and that a special phrase had been invented to safeguard those lies, namely, Plausible Deniability.
Yep, plausible denial. Mighty important. IKE lie was having Gary Powers U-2 shot down over Russia. Thinking the plane had been destroyed and Powers dead, he told the American people it was a weather observation plane that strayed into the USSR's territory. That fell apart when Khrushchev paraded Powers before the TV cameras. IKE had to eat his words and admit he lied. Which he did.
If I was going to bet on who pulled Oswald's strings between the KBG and the CIA I would put my money on the CIA.
Huh? Project 404 was a USAF program,and your bio says you were in the army. I ran recon and Hatchet Force missions into Laos and Cambodia with MACV-SOG in 68-69,and there were no US military ground combat troops based in Laos at the time. True,there were Americans there leading/teaching the Lao Army how to fight the Pathet Lao and the NVA invaders,but that was a CIA operation with civilian advisers and supported by Air America. AFAIK,the closest thing to a permanent US military base in Laos after the White Star teams left was the SOG radio relay station manned and operated by CCC that was located on a mountaintop,and manned for 2 weeks at a time by various recon team members from CCC's Recon Company. I was there a few times myself,but even that wasn't a combat base. IIRC,the only combat patrol ever lead out of Leghorn (the call sign) was a recon team led by Squirrel Sprouse some time in 68. Other than that one exception,Leghorn was strictly a radio relay site so the teams deployed in that area of Laos could get messages out over the mountains and back to the base camp at Kontum when there were no aircraft flying in their AO.
Besides,if you care to recall,not only were the North Vietnamese denying they had any troops in Laos,Cambodia,OR South Vietnam when you were there in 69,they were STILL denying it right up to the day NVA tanks ran through the gates of the Presidential Palace in Saigon. Maybe you think it is a tactical advantage to allow the enemy to allow supply lines they can use to supply troops they deny being there as well as "hidey holes" from which they can attack us and then run and hide in while they lick their wounds and rearm and retrain for another attack? Or do you think maybe it is better accept the reality that they are there,and to try to deny them these tactical and strategic advantages? Don't forget,the governments of both Laos and Cambodia were also denying the NVA were there at the time. Partly because they were being paid to be quiet,and partly because there was nothing they could do to run them out anyway,and no government can afford to admit they are powerless within their own borders.
The covert wars in Laos and Cambodia had nothing to do with Nixon. JFK started them,and then LJB expanded them. They had been going of for years before Nixon became president. Probably the only good thing you will ever hear me say about Nixon was he was the only one actually interested in winning the damn war,and he had the stones to send conventional "Big Army" units into Cambodia to go after the NVA headquarters,training,and staging areas there. For trying to win the war and save American lives while doing it,he was utterly demonized and politically destroyed by the American left that had by that time taken over the Dim Party. I have even argued with idiot Dims that claim to REMEMBER "Nixon starting the war". Some even "remember" him going to prison for Watergate.
Maybe you think Ike should have told the Soviets,who we were in a Cold War with and whose political leadership had boasted they were going to destroy America,that we were flying spy planes over their nuclear sites? It's not like they didn't already know. They had been trying to shoot the aircraft down and had nothing that could fly high enough to do it. They finally shot Powers down after a Soviet spy living in the US and working for our government gave them a flight schedule so they could be ready for the U-2 fly over and fire in advance. The U-2 flew so high and so fast that at that time the Soviets had nothing that could intercept it,and they had to fire missiles to a pre-determined point in the sky in order to be there when the U-2 arrived. - - - Updated - - - The CIA follows orders,they don't give them. Obombers strings are being pulled by the international bankers that want to destroy America so they can own the world,same as with both Bushes and Clinton.
There was a lot more to it. In Laos there were 60-80,000 NVA depending on the season in Laos and as you stated denying it. There was also Russian and Eastern European advisors and Technicians working with the PL and NVA around Sam Nuea and other places, especially around the PDJ. Then there were 10,000 Red Chinese Army troops building a road in Northwestern Laos from Mang Meng to Thailand. Portions of that road are in use today. Now the Thai's had over 20 battalions of troops in Laos along with us working with the the Royal Lao Army and certain mountain tribes of Laos which the Hmong were just one. How so many people, governments etc could be involved in Laos and the war still kept secret is amazing. The only answer is everyone involved wanted it that way. As for the Royal Lao government being paid to keep NVA involvement quiet, that is not so. When they captured some NVA, they brought them to Vientiane to be shown to the world and prove the NVA involvement. In Cambodia, the NVA also denied their presents there. But Cambodia was one country in Southeast Asia I was never stationed in. But MEDT-C there was basically doing the same as us Project 404 guys in Laos.
You would unfortunately lose your money, man. The theory that the C.I.A. did it is Soviet-era propaganda.
There are very few people in this world that I hate the way I hate that being. I refuse to call the fat little toad a man.
There were always rumors about Soviet advisers in Laos and Cambodia,but AFAIK nobody ever bagged one. I know of a SF team that bagged a Chinese Major once,though. They had his uniform hanging in their team room. Yes,it was. I even remember reading their denial in Newsweek or Time around 66-67. Not saying all of them were invovled in it,but some of the big boys were definitely involved in covering it up. I don't remember that,but if it did happen it only happened one time in close to 15 years. What does that tell you? The NVA were using the ports in Cambodia to bring in ship loads of food and other supplies because that way they could circumvent the bombing along Uncle Ho's Trail.
I worked at Na Hai Dieo north of Vientiane also known as the USAID compound 1969-71. There were a bunch of Russians, some East Germans and others in Sam Nuea the PL Capital or at least that was what CAS and others passed on to us. As to the Royal Lao, Souvanna himself presented some NVA POW’s at least twice while I was there to the press. But no big deal.
What I said was if I had to choose between the KGB and the CIA I would bet on the CIA. I have a couple of opinions. I can buy the theory that one of the Secret Service agents standing in the other car accidently shot Kennedy. If he didn't who had the most to gain from JFKs death? Maybe that person did not pull the trigger but he damned sure had something to do with it. I have been to Dealey Plaza and something just does not seem right.
Of course it doesn't. While the C.I.A. didn't pull the trigger, their involvement in the matter is nonetheless present: they knew all about Oswald. So did the F.B.I. Part of me says they knew it was coming and just stood back and allowed it to happen. President Kennedy had some powerful enemies, like J. Edgar who thought he was a communist, the C.I.A. for the pink slips and the Bay of Pigs fiasco, among others.
Military advisers were sent in in 1950 - Truman was President then. Then came Eisenhower and his April 7th, 1954 interaction with reporters: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=10202 The stage had already been set for Kennedy and Johnson. And Johnson took a minor skirmish and made it possible for millions to die and several countries to be annihilated. The reason why Nixon carries the yoke around his neck is because he campaigned that "new leadership will end the war," instead though, he decided to escalate the war and it was shown to the American people that they had been systematically deceived when the Pentagon Papers were leaked: that the U.S. was losing the war, not winning it as it so often had been said.
He's some more ammunition to hate Kissinger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Giant_Lance http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB81/ What a National Security Advisor he turned out to be - yeah, let's antogonize the one enemy who could destroy the homeland in a few hours.
here is something interesting for you guys to contemplate on: ( TWC: Quick Look -- http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/ . ) CIA Reactions to JFK Assassination Included Fear of Possible Soviet Strike against U.S.; Desire to "Bond" with LBJ Web Posting Features New Articles from The CIA's In-House Journal, "Studies in Intelligence" National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 493 Posted November 20, 2014 Edited by Jeffrey T. Richelson For more information contact: 202/994-7000, nsarchiv@gwu.edu Washington, DC, November 20, 2014 -- The CIA's reactions to the November 22, 1963, assassination of President John F. Kennedy -- 51 years ago this week -- went from initial shock to suspicions of Soviet or Cuban involvement, to increasingly bureaucratic concerns such as the desire to establish a positive "bond" with incoming President Lyndon Johnson, according to a newly declassified internal CIA article published for the first time today by the National Security Archive (www.nsarchive.org). Fears that Moscow might have masterminded the president's killing rose sharply when the CIA was unable to locate Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev for 24-48 hours afterwards. Agency officials worried that he was "either hunkering down for an American reprisal, or possibly preparing to strike the United States." This article is one of several from the CIA's Studies in Intelligence in-house journal that the agency recently released as a result of litigation by a former CIA official against his former employer. It appears today as part of an update to a compilation of similar articles the National Security Archive posted in June 2013. Check out today's posting at the National Security Archive - http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/
No,observers/advisers were first sent to Indo China during WW-2 by Roosevelt,and they advised him to support Ho Chi Mihn after the war because they thought he was more of a "communist of convenience" than a dedicated communist,and they thought US support with material and political backing would convince him to create a free country. I can't remember now the names of the US Army officers that traveled with him as he fought the Japanese,but they were with him right up to the end of WW-2
Nope. I'm a real person. I make mistakes too, and am honorable enough, even through anonymity, to admit them. To be honest, I knew about pre-Truman moves, I just didn't know if they truly fit into the Vietnam War era context so much as just WWII maneuvering.
From the POV of Russia,the US,and VN,the VN war was just a continuation of WW-2. For China, Russia, and the US it was a war by proxy with the unfortunate VN being caught in the middle. Granted,that was purely Ho Chi Mihn's doing because he was the one that started sending agents into the south to develop a guerrilla army,and in fact even got permission from the Soviet Politburo and their agreement to provide financing,weapons,food,and training. Sadly for the people of both north and south VN,they were the ones caught in the grinder.
The most crucial factor leading up to the assassination of JFK is Oswald's ideological background and he started to believe in revolutionary Marxism after his defection to the Soviet Union and in a way, Oswald was similar to a jihadist returning to the US after being radicalised at a terrorist training camp. It's unclear if the KGB played any role in forging Oswald's Communist identity or his assassination plot but he may have assassinated JFK to curry favour with Castro's Cuba as the Kennedy administration had made repeated attempts to eliminate Castro. Revolutionary Marxists did not hesitate to use violent methods to facilitate the transition from capitalism to socialism during the Cold War and Oswald was one of those revolutionary Marxists, who was determined to play his part in the worldwide Communist movement.
