If the left and right could see through my eyes.

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  1. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    Jesus man, break up your post a bit if you’re going to cover everything under the sun. I hope you’ll forgive me helping you out in that.


    What you perceive as normal hold little value to me. If you don’t like shows with gay characters, don’t watch them. No one is forcing you. And to clarify, the majority of the nation sees gays as normal. You’re in the minority on that one. Does that spook you?

    You see someone at the doors of restrooms checking what people have in their pants before they enter? Anyone seeking to do harm is already doing it. The people seeking to use a bathroom that aligns with their gender identity are the only ones kept out by bathroom bills.

    You’re not going to lose your job over mistakenly using a pronoun that someone isn’t comfortable with. Though if you work customer service and choose to be a dick about it, chances are that’s not the only reason you might get fired.

    Conjecture with no evidence to back up your claim. About as much effort as I would expect.

    Given LEOs have the legal authority to kill US citizens and have a whole department of “brothers in arms” ready to cover their backs, I absolutely they need to be held to a higher standard. I’ll hold the ones esteem that deserve it. Those are the ones that serve their community and make it a better place, don’t protect the bad apples, and have the courage not to shoot unarmed people because they’re too scared to handle a situation in any other way. Criminals should be met with the minimum force required to subdue them given their alleged crime.

    The rest is simply the claims of a conservative that wants to be viewed as unbiased “But seriously guys the Democratic partly is literally the offspring of hitler and satan.” Save it for the people buying it.
     
  2. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    My preferred pronouns are I, me, and my. I do not respond to we, our, and ours.
     
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  3. DaveBN

    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    Care to elaborate on your objections to we and our to describe the population of the United States? I’ll sure not to use them to describe you directly.
     
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    I figure that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or to be more precise, if it's good for me, then it's good for you. If we can both agree on something as being good, then that's even better.

    If you want to help people, that's fine. Just do that and don't bother waking me from my nap because odds are that I'll think you're nuts, but wth, it's your money.
     
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    DaveBN Well-Known Member

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    Well I believe it’s good for me to promote legal immigration that help replenish our dwindling labor market. Where does that leave us?
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    That leaves us in disagreement. You need to study up on supply and demand to figure out that you're hurting the poorest people by bringing in a supply of unskilled workers to compete against our unskilled workers.
     
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    Sounds like an investment in more affordable/free higher education is in order then. At the very least training for trade professions should be made more readily available. I’d be fine with my tax dollars going towards that.
     
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    If you're talking your money, then fine. Tax dollars? No, that comes out of my wallet.

    I'm basically against immigration because your idea is stupid. I don't care if there are more unskilled workers so employers can pay them less. I do care that all those people you want to come into the country to bring unskilled wages down aren't my kind of people. There are enough poor people here already, and you want more?

    Hell, I don't even really understand your idea. You want unskilled workers coming into the country, but then you want my taxes going towards education to make them skilled workers? Is that it? I don't understand.

    What's in it for me?
     
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    The ONTOS was the best counter sniper platform ever built.

    But it was the ONTOS that gets the credit for winning the battle for Hue.


    Some years ago a group of Marine officers who had just returned from Afghanistan after watching a video of Marine ONTOS in action during the battle of Hue all had comments. The one that stuck out the most was..."Every time they get it right they declare it obsolete and deactivate it."

    Just think if they had some ONTOS in Iraq during the Battle of Fallujah.

    When I first arrived in-country they had an ONTOS on the south end of the DaNang air base.

    They would transport an ONTOS by using a CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopter with the ONTOS being slung underneath the chopper. They attached sheets of plywood to the ONTOS to disguise the ONTOS so it would look like a small Caterpillar bulldozer from the air.

    Charley would see the CH-53 with the disguised ONTOS slung underneath the helicopter and would think we were building a fire base on some hill top.

    If they knew it was an ONTOS they would didi and flee across the border into their sanctuary in Laos.
     
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    And sadly through your eyes, an AR-15 makes other things look bigger...but it's just an illusion.

    I have no problem with people owning guns. The problem is many choose to own them for the wrong reason. They feel it gives them power. Instead of being honest with themselves as to why they feel powerless, they throw many at a gun that they will either use to plink at targets at best, or tragically at worst, they will use it to take a life when confronted by someone they perceive as more powerful. They may be justified or not in that situation, but their feelings of self-loathing have already predisposed them to use the object they see as providing them power.

    To me, it's this lack of self-awareness, and my gun example above is just one from the right there are also some from the left as well (vaccinations for one), that is the problem. The root of this problem is winning instead of governing. Partisans feel they are justified when they win, be it elections or court cases or whatever. That motivation undercuts republican (as in the US being a republic, not the political party) ideals. The notion that someone is absolutely and always right is fallacy. It's one of the greatest fears that fueled this country's creation and constitution. So why is it that partisans, who continue to feel they are absolutely right in their beliefs, claim to love what this country stands for? One cannot do both.

    Until the extremes of both sides are willing to put what's best for the nation ahead of winning, they will always think as you do above. Because what you stated is about being 100% right and winning. If you truly cared about ideals and what's best for society, you would concede than you owning an AR-15 doesn't guarantee your rights or the rights of others, nor does it have a use other than to make you feel good about yourself. It's OK to feel that way, but what's vital is to be honest about it is all and not dress it up in being more American than someone else in order to win an argument, or a vote, or an election.
     
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    When I served in the Corps, the Marine Corps had three nservice rifles that were issued.

    All FMF Marines were issued the M-14.

    All naval ship Marine detachments, all Marine Barracks on naval installations and all Marine security forces were issued the M-1 Garand.

    All Marines who ended up with WESTPAC orders and found themselves in Vietnam were issued the M-16A1.

    The M-16 was forced upon the Marine Corps by civilians in particular Robert McNamara a Democrat.

    Some AR-15's manufactured by Armalite found themselves in gun stores 62-64.

    But when Colt bought the rights to manufacture the AR-15 they were in the sporting goods stores starting in 64 being sold as a hunting rifle before the U.S. military had adopted the AR-15/M-16.

    The American hunter looked at the little pop gun chambered for a varmint cartridge that was made with stamped aluminum and steel and plastic and rejected the AR-15. Back in the day Americans still wanted quality, cold hard forged steel that has been milled to perfection and having a hard wood stock preferably of walnut.

    In the early 1970's Ruger introduced the Mini-14 that was also chambered for a varmint cartridge (Remington .223)
    It was a semi automatic rifle using a short stroke gas piston like found on the M-1 Garand and M-14.
    The Ruger Mini-14 became the most popular semi automatic rifle that could be used as a hunting rifle, for plinking, home security and as a survival rifle. An all purpose rifle.

    Americans were still rejecting the AR-15.

    Then liberal Democrats saw this black scary looking rifle and decided this rifle is so politically incorrect that it has to be regulated and kept out of the hands on American citizens. That rifle was the AR-15.

    Any time you regulate something or want to outlaw something...everyone wants one.

    It was the liberal Democrats who made the AR-15 and all other AR's the most popular firearm in America today.

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    I don't think any humans can see through yer eyes unless they are tranlucent...
     
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    It’s too easy to engage in hyperbole. Rational discourse has given way to tribalism. Until we get past the canard that Democrats are communists\Republicans are nazis, the internecine diatribes will continue!
     
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    And they were way over priced then also...
     
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    I know I can't see why they would play that game except to alienate people or to incite them..
     
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    When Tim Cook at Apple is faced with a crisis, he has a committee of employees who investigate and then present VIABLE options to meet the goals of the company. This committee is not allowed to be political and they must present VIABLE actions to management. If any members of these committees fail to focus on facts or not make decisions based on what's in the best interest of Apple, they will be removed and perhaps terminated. This might be called ACCOUNTABILITY. In our federal government today, it appears there is zero accountability. FACTS do not need to be recognized. There is no consensus on the goals of the nation. There is no interest in what's best for the nation. If our president, vice-president, and all of Congress behaved this way at Apple, they would all be terminated. And voters who support political nonsense, lack of action, etc. of our government, they should have their voting rights revoked.

    When accountability can be a driving factor in our governance, things will improve...until then it will be the same old BS...
     
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    It has been the same old B.S. since 1789....
     
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    So you are saying we just need to accept what is and live with it?
     
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    Probably so, you were able to pick up a military surplus M-1 carbine or M-1 Garand for less than $100 back in the day.

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    But if LEO's were to kill a criminal illegal alien non citizens...the **** would hit the fan.
     
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    I’d imagine the circumstances would have to be taken into account.
     
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    That all depends where it happens.

    In California all illegal aliens are a protected class.
     
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    Is that codified somewhere?
     
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    your family must feel hurt or left out.
     
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