If You Believe Homosexual Acts Are Immoral, Why Are You Labeled a "homophobe"?

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because there is an unreasonable fear involved, both of homosexuality as a concept and of how homosexuals will affect society as a whole. I see lots of homophobes obsessing over the latter issue in particular, as if marriage and family will fall apart because of gays or gay marriage, or whatever, which of course is all bogative.
     
  2. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I do not "hate" people in the normal course of events unless they have done something to directly harm people I love. Takes too much effort to hate strangers.

    I believe that ALL sexual conduct outside of one man and one woman who are legally married at the time is equally immoral.
     
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    oh, what a big yawn - go back and live in your cave - The Bible doesn't mean Jack
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    It will last just as long as bigotry does.
     
  5. Burz

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    Yes that's very interesting do go on. I personally believe in fairies - but then, they don't babble on about the "goodness" and "badness" of things. They're rather a bit past that.
     
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    If you're ten.

    After that age it's basically an insult to the person attempting to use it as an insult, and, I suppose, an insult to the intelligence of whomever it's being poorly applied to but that tends to engender a sense of pity rather than of being insulted.

    Of course plenty of people never quite make it past the age of ten no matter how many years they manage to somehow rack up.
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Click on "Today's Posts" just once, and you would think PF is all about homosexuality, trying to defeat God, or general liberal hatefulness.

    You can say "we don't think about those things" all you want, but there aren't a hundred posts a day about defecation, parental intercourse, or ugly masturbating.

    Nor are there forums here that invite them to call names of everyone who disagree with them, or try and shut down a business who doesn't let them defecate there.
     
  8. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Morals matter to millions of people thus they are important whether you believe in them or not.

    I have trouble believing that homosexuals are suffering oppression by not being allowed to marry as I pointed out we already ban several types of unions between consenting adults and have for centuries.
     
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    facts>superstition New Member

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    How about trying to mind your own business? Really!
     
  10. saintmichaeldefendthem

    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    Silly, silly, silly, thinking that moral piety is generated by man and not by God.

    Silly.
     
  11. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I believe marriages between one man and one woman at one time are vital to a stable civil society. A society that I, my wife, children, sisters, and friends all have to live in.

    I'm not a libertarian. I believe that everything we do effects everyone else and thus everyone has some stake in the actions of others.
     
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    Now that most folks have progressed, the irrationality of those who haven't is subjected to both a reality check as nations and states that no longer discriminate by gender in marriage law provide the empirical evidence that the moral collapse the teeth-gnashers had railed about was hysterical bushwa, and an historical context - enforcing equality in the matter of interracial marriage despite fierce resistance being the apt precedent.

    Society advances, and most stragglers eventually catch up.



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  13. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Society has not advanced. Gay activists have simply taken advantage of the U.S. court systems to change laws they never could've gotten through popular vote.

    Be honest. If over the last decade the right of gays to marry had been put on the ballot, in how many states do you think they would've won.
     
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    If more people understood this, there wouldn't be such a juvenile and ill conceived push to legalize narcotics.
     
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    If you don't like drugs or gay marriage, then don't do it. Mind your own business. You are being another puritan minded buzz-kill!
     
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    When gays and druggies live on a remote island and their actions have no impact on me, then I'll leave them to their devices. As long as they're in my community, neighborhoods, schools, and streets, it is my business and no pothead is going to tell me different.
     
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    You should take it upon yourself to live in a way that you feel yourself is moral. Forcing your morals on others is perfect example of a your weak character as human being.
     
  18. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    If a person has morals they truly believe in and practice, they try to remake the world around them to reflect and advantage those morals.
     
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    And I believe that same-sex couples marrying does nothing to diminish that, and in fact only strengthens the model. Denying it only reenforces the idea that sex and relationships can exist outside of marriage.

    Over the last decade, not many. But do you recall last election? We already got a preview of this last election when advocates for gay rights went 4 and 0 in ballot initiatives. And have you seen the latest polls? Those supporting gay rights is comfortably above 50%, and are heavily skewed towards the younger generation.... meaning we will see this rate continue to rise quickly as the older generation slowly dies out and gets replaced. In 10 to 15 years, they will represent the vast majority, and this will be virtually a non-issue to the youngest generation. If you were to put this on the ballot TODAY, substantially more would pass, but it takes time to get things on the ballot, and then there's the whole issue of younger people not voting as much. That said, this last point will be less of an issue if the trend of the last two major elections holds true, bringing more representation of the younger generation to the voting booths. While there is still a substantial distance to go, I think it's a little naive of you to suggest that society has not "advanced". Just because the courts have started to intervene, don't imagine that that didn't come with an advancement in the understanding and sentiment towards gays.
     
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    Hmmm. Something tells me that my life isn't that interesting for you to be concerned with. Like anyone else I go to work, come home, cook dinner, help take care of my family, occasionally go out to the movies, go hiking, volunteer for housing projects, go to school, and take care of my sick partner who is currently recovering from eye surgery. The last thing I need is someone worried about my "impact" on their community, but don't worry, the more you try, the more ridiculous people will see it as. In the long run, it's of nil effect. But don't worry, when the time comes (and it is largely here), I will do my best to stand up for your rights to live as you do. I would not do or support what has been done to us for ages, needlessly worrying about other people's private business.
     
  21. Dayton3

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    Younger generations get older. They tend to vote more conservative over time and vote more often.

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    And I'm 100% against that idea. And I will use my vote and every tool at my disposal to fight that idea and return my country to the moral standards I believe serve it and my interests best.
     
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    You believe it to be immoral yet you worship a God who raped his own 13 year old mother without her consent so she could give birth to himself.
     
  23. Johnny-C

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    That, within reason and decency.

    There is only so much 'force' one can apply to others, yet remain humane themselves. And surely, man's inhumanity to man... is one of the greatest moral problems in existence.
     
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    Homophobe is just a way to pass judgment on your values.
     
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    Yep. Sometimes the most judgmental people are those who insist people not judge them.
     
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