If you carry a gun are you obligated to put your life in danger to stop a shooting?

Word to the wise. If you think his single sentences make no sense don't ask for a complete thought. It only gets worse from here.

 

Isn't it funny you are only discussing mass shootings and CCW when in fact they are such a small percentage of weapons events. Maybe we should add CCW citizens that use/show/suggest they have a weapon to prevent crimes against themselves or family, LOL like most antigunners you like to twist things eh?

 

Now that there made me laugh out loud. Thanks

 

Twist what? I am challenging one and only one myth - that CCW somehow would stop a mass shooting

 

Who is this "we" Kemo Sabe? Are you speaking for EVERY CCW licence holder in America? Who exactly do you train with? The police (sorry forgot myself for a minute because that is right! The police are inept and the only true crime stoppers are CCW!!!), a local vigilante or some shoot em up program on the internet

 

Is it a myth, you haven't proved anything and your twist is, people having guns is bad cause they wouldn't use them to stop a mass shooting as if that is the only reason to have one. See what I mean about twisting eh? Oh and please answer the question posed by Toe

 

Oh thats all? We thought you had something relevant to discuss. One minute on google and you could have saved the bandwidth. Aussies do have search engines correct?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...hootings_examples_of_armed_interventions.html

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...most-occur-where-guns-are-banned-2516426.html

http://gunwatch.blogspot.ch/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html

 

LOL, Really you don't know who WE is? Well we is the people. You know the millions of americans who have guns who have taken concealed carry classes, who have taken advanced tactical classes, who have trained in the military and are civilians now, ex police officers and security officers, WE is the millions of gun owners who teach themselves and educate themselves about the law. WE is the the people who don't go out and shoot innocent people and who protect their own families with firearms.
I also don't appreciate the racial slur of Kemo Sabe and the twisted logic of using another MSM talking points photo to attempt to reinforce your losing logic.

 

The "we" is like minded people. why so hostile? Bowerbird, I respect your opinion. No issue if you do not want to answer your own question. In the meantime please be respectful of the BOR's.

Any other time we could be having a beer and a good game of pool at the pub. I will rack.

 

This is your argument? Your perception of gun owners is so far off its incredable. I train at a firearm safety school, where ex-police and ex-military personnel are the trainers, plus I go to shooting ranges and study the effects of bullet penetration. What do you know about guns? The effect of a criminal who comes to your ER as a result of being shot in self defense? The woman you like to bring up about missing half her face due to an accident? You only know the end result, but you know nothing about what entails to being a victim and logical steps to take to prevent being one. This picture you post shows your credibility in this debate, and if you know nothing as you do about firearms, you haven't a ground to stand on. We are managers, lawyers, doctors, polititions, men and women, not cowboys.

Back to what I said earlier, more than not, a CCW holder would put himself in harms way to stop a mass shooting, though he is not obligated to do so legally (which is what you made your question to sound).

 

So you can attest that those people all have

A) gained the requisite skills
b) gained the ability to maintain focus during a firefight
c) evaluate changing and challenging situation equivalent to a battle field (and have you ever seen the statistics of how many bullets are wasted in a war?)
d) maintained those skills (you are required to retrain in CPR every year for a REASON)
e) not imbibed in some form of substance that would alter their perception/memory/functionality

etc etc etc

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Sorry but how can challenging a myth be "Hostile" unless you yourself are unsure of the foundation of that belief

Truth is there is this comfortable myth that somehow the superhero CCW carrier will come to the rescue if there is another mass shooting

History has told us this is not only not so but that CCW can become victims themselves or further confuse the issue

 

well this is the Tx one
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm
These are the agreements w texas
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Legal/Reciprocity/index.htm
(Hover over the California one -.-)

Here is the Faqs page
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/faqs/index.htm

 

that is doubtful...........your practice in any debate is to move the goal posts as demonstrated in post #61

 

It was the way you came across, sorry. I can not give you a one size fits all answer for your fears.

For me I have been involved with active fire situations, then went on to patch them up. Nothing fancy mind you, I was a Soldier and a Medic for 20 some odd years.

Now, can we go have a beer? I would rather have friends in life. I go to the Cafe to unwind but watch out for daisy, she is trying to sell property.

 

Pretty hard to move the goal posts when she can't even get on the field

Anyhow I left her the first three links from a search. I did'nt even read them myself just took the first three.
it'll be interesting to see the myth buster in action.

 

Forgot to add this.

21. What type of class or training is required in order to obtain a Concealed Handgun License (CHL)?
An original (first time) CHL applicant must complete a minimum 10 hour class, taught by a DPS certified CHL instructor. The class includes classroom and a proficiency demonstration (shooting). See CHL Qualification Course Requirements (PDF) for the proficiency demonstration requirements. There are four (4) required topics: use of force; non violent dispute resolution; handgun use; and safe and proper storage of handguns and ammunition. Additional topics may be taught as well. To locate a DPS certified CHL instructor, see Instructor list.

Upon successful completion of the training class, the DPS certified instructor should provide you with a Certificate of Training (CHL-100). You will need to submit this form to the Department in order to complete your application.


22. Is there a requirement to take a continuing education course before I can renew my Concealed Handgun License (CHL)?
Yes, a continuing education (renewal course) is required prior to renewing a CHL. Renewal applicants must complete a four (4) hour class, taught by a DPS certified CHL instructor. The class includes classroom and a proficiency demonstration (shooting). See CHL Qualification Course Requirements (PDF) for the proficiency demonstration requirements. To locate a DPS certified CHL instructor, see Instructor list.

Upon successful completion of the training class, the DPS certified instructor should provide you with a Certificate of Training (CHL-100). You will need to submit this form to the Department in order to complete your application.

 

You do like to add twist eh. Ok fair question Nope I didn't say all, I said WE as a collective of millions of gun owners who have not used guns in a bad way, who have actually used one to defend themselves and others because they have taken training, self studied, or because they have trained through the military or as an LEO.

Sorry to disagree but history has NOT told us there is a comfortable myth that a superhero ccw carrier will come to the rescue, in fact history teaches us something more important, Law enforcement won't be there in the event of a mass shooting because they can't be everywhere and there is very little evidence to support a CCW could of prevented a mass shooting because for the bulk of them they were in a NO GUN zone. Maybe we should try the opposite to research your facts, you know allow guns everywhere eh? Get some real statistics.

Now on to your other points,

I have been an LEO, I am an instructor for Deadly use of force for both civilians and LEOs, I am a licensed and active CCW instructor and I have been a member of a special operations response team and as such I can quite decidedly inform you that you can apply the same questions you are asking to the very people you want providing you your protection. I have seen civilians with more knowledge and training than an LEO, I have seen civilians with more actual experience than the very people you expect to provide you your safety. You discount the knowledge of the average citizen far too much and give credit to the MSM storyline that in the event of more people with guns there will be blood in the streets, Sorry to say that myth has already been dispelled.
CCW citizens are not the problem here, impedance to allowing all crime free citizens to carry is the real issue.

 

Thought I would add this. A quote from a member on another SD forum and a few questions they were asked during class.

Questions.
You are carrying concealed with a permit while walking down the sidewalk in town and you see a limo pull into a parking lot across the street. Out of the limo comes a very well dressed man with a briefcase handcuffed to his wrist. As he exits the vehicle, you see a man in a jean jacket walk up, pull a pistol, point it at the well dressed man and start yelling things at him. Because you are across the street, you don't have an ultimate view of the situation and you can't hear what the guy with the gun is yelling. What do you do?

Answer

Question
You walk out of Wal Mart and out to your car. On your way, you see a commotion and look in time to see someone in a panic trying to pull away in a car when another man pulls the door open and is beating the hell out of the driver. Get involved? Shoot?

Answer

Here is something that makes you think
From a Retired Officer

 

I know one person who is totally against firearms who, in this situation would grab the person close to them and put that person between themselves and the shooter and demand that they do something.
Me, I would do what ever I could to get people to safety, then take a look at the situation and determine best type of action.

 

I have and will use it, again, to protect. Period

 

I say you do have a moral/ethical obligation, even if it may put your life in danger. However, if you feel it would just endanger other lives unnecessarily (such as a bank robbery), then you are not under the obligation, and it may even be better not to use your gun to stop the crime.

There are a few places in the world that actually require citizens to have guns, the rational being to promote public safety. Obviously, it depends on the exact location and situation. In some places, guns do make everyone more safe, in other places (Detroit), the opposite may be the case.

 

Good then I won't bother reading them either

 

As would most people but this thread was created in reaction to the contention by many that a CCW shooter could or would stop a mass shooting - and yet the response to the question "would they be obligated to stop a shooting" is a resounding NO!!!

So if there is no obligation on a CCW holder to even try to stop a shooting - why is everyone so determined that CCW is the answer to mass shootings?