Illegal aliens cancel food stamps to avoid deportation; Washington Post horrified

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

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    I initially replied to your complaint of "unsubstantiated" allegations. Would you care to provide us a source / link that supports your claim that US corps. hire illegals, as a means by which to control wages?
     
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    Considering nearly every child born in the US goes to school, you want statistics on how many are actually illegal? Sorry, but our brilliant govt can't ask the parents when they enroll their children what their legal status actually is. But lets just guesstimate that the vast majority of illegal children are going to school. So thats MILLIONS. Plenty going to college now are coming out as illegals, so you have all those cases. I can attest from personal experience that when I see families who can't speak English rolling up in car line in junkers...they're illegals. Because how in the frack does a grown adult become a citizen without speaking a word of English? I listen to them when I pick my kids up sometimes in the office. They can NOT speak a word. The office staff is speaking to them in SPanish. Yeah, they're citizens...right....and FL has snow=) But again, you can't legally ASK if anyone is a citizen or not. Thats how much Democrats have FRACKED us all over.
     
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    Children went hungry under Obama. In fact, Obama increased the poverty in America and added $9 trillion in debt.
     
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    How does this country owe them anything?

    They choose to come here illegally. For whatever reason they have decided to NOT use our legal immigration system to come to the US the legal way. They are willing to take jobs for less money under the table because even being paid under America's legal minimum wage is still better than whatever wages they were making in their home nation. The living conditions here are still better than their home nation. If these things weren't true then they wouldn't come over here.

    Become a LEGAL American immigrant and companies can no longer exploit them and would be forced to pay them the legal minimum wage. By being illegal they can be exploited and taken advantage of because they can't exactly go around reporting their boss to the cops for not paying them adequately enough seeing how they aren't supposed to be here in the first place.

    These people weren't brought here against their will and forced to work for less money than the legal American minimum wage. They voluntarily came here illegally. They may be victims sure but they are victims of their own doing. There is absolutely nothing stopping these people from simply going back to their home nation if they have a problem with living here.

    The solution is VERY simple in spite of so many trying to make it difficult. Immigrate here LEGALLY and none of the above will apply to you. Come here ILLEGALLY and you are subject to exploitation.

    These illegals are being exploited yet are simultaneously exploiting our own nations immigration system and our overall good will. They exploit the anchor baby doctrine, they exploit our lax immigration policy, the exploit our pathetic border security. They do all of these things on purpose, NOBODY FORCED THEM to come here. NOBODY. We did not go and grab them and bring them here. They came here on their own.

    So no, we do not owe them anything. They did this to themselves.
     
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    Nope, they are ANCHOR BABIES, because they come from illegal mothers using the child to anchor them to the states. You can't change reality with your perception. Reality is reality. I don't think I'm superior simply because I speak English, but 'm a superior AMERICAN CITIZEN, because I speak English. If you live here for any period of time and choose not to learn the native language you are the pure definition of inferior. You are not equal to others. Its pure laziness to not bother. I live in S. FL. The number of people living here for decades who still don't have a basic grasp of English is pathetic.

    FACTS aren't racism. if Hispanic culture was superior, Hispanic people wouldn't be fleeing their countries to come work here. But continue throwing the race card against anyone who expresses interest in our LAWS actually working. You obviously prefer people breaking our laws and disrespecting the country that so graciously allows them to live a far better life than their countries of origin. /Golf clap. You're awesome! Be proud.
     
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    This is not true. I don't remember the exact numbers, but Irish illegal immigrants are a significant % of the total. Oh yes they are!

    Oh, but they're white, so never mind...
     
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    They did not CHOOSE it, they were forced by economic and social realities, most of it caused by the U$A! Denying this only demonstrates your abject ignorance of Mexico and its economy. Most gringos think of Mexico in stereotypes rather than facts. But I know the facts. I'm familiar with all regions of Mexico, I know the language and culture well, and I've studied Mexican society and history at the graduate level.

    So your Faux News cliches do not trump my knowledge, sorry.

    They will not be admitted legally, duh. U$A corporations force them to the border, but U$A policy is to accept only educated or trained people, not farm laborers and dishwashers.

    So... don't invade a country and steal their country ILLEGALLY, and don't send your corporations into Mexico to behave in ways not LEGAL in the U$A... THEN you can complain about the immigrants who are the victims of this situation. Until then... get a lettuce-picking job or keep quiet.
     
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    Disregarding your ethic slurs against your "others" (Yes, many have immigrated to the US from distressed nations), how many "anchor babies" do you believe are being born in the US these days, and what would you like to do to them?

    (Presumably, Marco Rubio who, although born to non-citizens and qualifying for citizenship by his having been born here, would be exempted from whatever mass deportation you would applaud?)
     
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    Actually I'm the superior U$A citizen, since I speak several languages and harbor no bigotry toward Mexicans, unlike most gringos.

    There is no legal requirement to learn English here. The inferior people are those who demean others for the language they speak. This is why I always speak Castilian in public in the U$A. Don't like it? Whatchagonnado? lol... ¿Verdad? ¿qué hacer? llorar... todavía puedes llorar, ja ja ja.

    It is pure laziness that so few gringos can speak Castilian when it is the language of the nextdoor country with 150 million people, plus spoken by at least 30 million in the U$A, including me.

    Spanish speakers were in Florida long before any English was heard there. So you can cry cry cry but that's all.
     
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    Ya Ya :) The article isn't about quality of phone/service it's to the abuse within the program, was it really that difficult to stay on point? Although that's the twist the welfare supporters use in most cases, "Sure it's free, but the Lobsters not those big ones the rich people eat" :)

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    I think the sign says it all really! Food stamps, Medicaid, section 8 Housing, FREE, FREE, no credit checks "If you like five phones, you can have your five phones"! Don't need five phones sell four phones :roflol:
     
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    Your reminiscences are noted, but Obama is not the president, and we are discussing current events.
     
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    The number you're struggling to recall is 50,000 Irish illegals. Not a significant % of 11 million. Of course I have a source / link that supports my assertion ... still waiting for yours though ... :hiding:
     
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    It's Obama's fault so stop deflecting. Obama created a huge mess and now others have to clean it up. Something you fail to understand.
     
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    What huge mess?
     
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    Note the "language / history" requirements, lack of "entitlements". https://www.justlanded.com/english/Mexico/Mexico-Guide/Visas-Permits/Citizenship
     
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    $9 trillion added to debt, increased poverty, a dilapidated military, rise of ISIS, foreign policy complete failure, apology tour, crushed the Middle Class, government entitlement programs that are imploding, massive corruption in wire tapping and targeting political opponents, white house hacking by Chinese swept under the rug, failure to deal properly with Russia (I told them to "stop it"), weak ineffective leadership, failed website cost taxpayers millions, campaigned for Hillary using Air Force One, etc., etc..,etc..,etc........

    Go look these up if you don't believe it. It's all there in black and white and in some cases with full color pictures. Obama was a bastion of corruption and effectual leadership. A true snowflake for a generation of snowflakes he helped create.
     
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    No, they choose it. Unless they were physically taken from their home nation against their will and forcefully brought to the US then they CHOSE to come here. Personal responsibility cannot be blamed on an outside source.

    That's like me saying I was laid off from my job and I needed money to support my family so I robbed the nearest bank but it's not my fault. Greedy corporate execs wanted to turn a bigger profit so they laid me off. The US economy is doing poorly and they needed to trim the fat. Presidential policies slowed job creation, whatever the case. I was doing well at my job, I didn't get in trouble, I wasn't fired, I was just laid off for whatever reason. So I decided to rob a bank to get money to feed my family since I no longer had a job.

    Try that in court and see how well that works out. If that sort of logic worked in real life then we'd have no law because a person could always just blame what they did on external circumstances instead of being forced to take personal responsibility for their own actions.

    This is the real world, not a fantasy world. Try what I said in court and you'll get a nice "Yes while I understand your hardship, you're still going to jail because bank robbery is illegal regardless of WHY you did it".
     
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    You just called Americans gringos and claim you're not a bigot. See what you just did=) I specifically called out ALL people who illegally enter the country. I also only criticized people who come here illegally and don't bother to learn the language. I didn't even call out Mexicans at all. Due to you intense hatred, you read what I didn't even say and perceived what never happened.

    Funny, how the most racist people find racism in EVERYTHING, even injecting words and meaning into things people never said.
     
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    The hyper-partisan hysteria that induces your fixation does not take reality into account: Illegal immigration decreased under Obama after the mass influx during the Bush regime, more funds were allocated to border security under Obama, and deportations significantly increased.

    I have no idea to what extend Obama's policies toward illegal immigration contributed to his 59% approval/37% disapproval when he completed his second term, but that was well above Bush's 34% Approval/61% Disapproval and the current POTUS's 40% Approval/55% Disapproval.

    The national debt, that has been rising since Reagan, continued to under Bush and Obama, and is still rising under the current regime.

    I won't speculate whether Trump's promise to reduce the debt is of the "terrific heath coverage for everybody!" variety.
     
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    You sound like you're a big proponent of mass deportation. Go Donald.
     
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    IMO you didn't phrase your original comment correctly. At the time only white people could be citizens. Then when the US took over part of Mexico the Mexicans in the area were upgraded to whites and became citizens. In 1869 all of the black people became citizens and in 1898 Chinese who had been born in America became citizens. American Indians didn't become citizens until 1924. So the "natural born" clause was very restricted when it was written and the 14th Amendment citizienship clause wasn't really extended until 1898.
     
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    Congess granted citizenship to the American Indians. The SCOTUS had nothing to do with it because the 14th Amendment didn't apply to them.
     
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    Of course, I am no more a proponent of mass deportation than I am of ethnic cleansing.

    I'm largely in agreement with the majority of Americans on the issue. See http://pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
     
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    lol right because they are exactly the same thing aren't they. Mass murder and deporting people here illegally. Same thing.

    I'm sure you believe that Jonestown and Bible study are the same too.
     
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    there was 4.7 million Irish that immigrated to America between 1820 and 1975 we have over 10 million just illegally immigrating from Latin American countries
     
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