Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

Uh huh.

 

Not at all...are you saying the cop was clairvoyant and knew for a fact there was a knife there?
Are you saying that cop was not smart enough remain at a safe distance from the perp until he was sure he was armed?
Are you saying a cop should automatically shoot to kill someone just because they think he might be armed?

 

First they should have tried to restrain him... ( They did)
Then they should have tazed him ( they did)
Now you are saying they should have stayed a "safe distance" You people need to make up your ****ing minds..

 

It was released quickly in hopes of preventing rioting and looting.

But again, the dem mayor and governor failed to stop it.

He was resisting arrest, he resisted less lethal force, and only after that, as he was ignoring the police and walking around the vehicle was he shot.

 

Are you suggesting without evidence that you KNOW the cop didn't see the weapon?

 

my guess is the fact that he was charged so quick was to protect him and his family from retaliation.

all charges will be dropped once things settles down would be my guess.

even if they are not there is no way a jury is going to convict a kid for shooting a pedophile that was attacking him, a violent criminal that attacked him and hit him in the head with a skateboard. and a guy that draws a gun at him and gets shot

 

Yes MLK was the best...willing to sacrifice his life for change. I put him right up there with Gandhi and Jesus.
I'm not sure how much progress the MLK non-violent movement actually made for your people though.
Did you see any lasting changes? Do you think it was enough? In my opinion...those protesters today are fighting for justice...
not just for black folks...but for themselves also. There is something deeply wrong with this present system of government.
It is decaying from the inside out because the ones on the bottom are being left there to rot.

You said..... "during an era where you really COULD be attacked by the police for the simple crime of walking while black."
evidently peaceful protestors can still be attacked by police...
Police use munitions to forcibly push back peaceful protesters for Trump church visit

 

Isn't that what you would do if your "spidey senses" told you there was a knife near by?

 

I posted an example that rejection by Marine recruiting does not mean what you "guessed" it to me. Such an example is not irrelevant to your post.

 

So you're saying the cop had no other choice but to try to kill that man???

 

If you cannot debate like an adult and conduct yourself without making accusation I do not need to waste my time with you.

No one and no mass media or fringe media or political party tells me how to think.

Just put your points down and do not accuse me of not thinking for myself and Inwill not accuse you of anything either.

End of story!

 

I want to see the entire picture of events. You are taking one slice in time out and saying this is it. These things are not simple.

Go back to the Blake shooting. If you just take the seconds it took for that officer to shoot him 6-7 times in the back it looks like an execution.
The questions that need answering are:
Was Blake armed at the time e.g.did he have a weapon on his person?
Was there one or more weapons within Blakes reach?
Did Blake actually reach the knife that was on the floor board of his vehicle and did he actually pick it up and did he have it in his hand and was he threatening the officer with it and is that why the officer shot him?

The same type of time line and actions breakdown and analysis needs to take place with the Kyle case. You seem to want to just say he ran, people chased him, he shot them in self defense. That is just too simple.
Remember the old adage: A simple answer to a complex question is usually wrong.

 

There isn't support for violence among most younger blacks, either.

The "injustice" isn't so-called.

I trust you notice there are a lot of peaceful marchers in DC today.

Just like there are people on this forum defending a kid who brought a rifle to what he figured to be a street battle.

Let's get real. Something is really screwed up in this country if we can't have a leader like Trudeau who enforces the law and at the same time looks for social justice.

 

I can see that.

 

Not me if that is what you were getting at hmmmmmmmmm.

 

Quickly? They haven't released much of anything yet. They didn't even say anything until Wednesday.

 

The right to own guns is not the issue and was not the issue

I was referring to- how they are used and by who and what training the these people have to use the weapons is the issue.

I am not telling you that you can't own a car or drive. I am suggesting you should be properly trained to drive otherwise you are a danger to yourself and others.

Oh I get your argument. Its not guns that kill people its people. Guns are not the problem. That is all I am arguing. The people who own the guns in these incidents act questionably and you should not be surprised people are dying because of it.

Guns give people the illusion of power and control during conflict.

Sorry I have a medic's opinion about weapons. I get why soldiers have them. Doesn't mean I have to trust civilians with them or the wounds and deaths they cause.

For me guns for me are a sign of human failure when a human says they need one unless its for necessity hunting. Save te NRA shtick for someone else. Been there and done that. This has nothing to do with gun ownership. It has done to with gun management.

 

And since his rejection could in no way be related to the MAGA child, you didn't counter anything.

I am guessing this kid is not very intelligent and has some emotional issues, which is probably why they liked him in that police cadet program.

 

Given the entire situation, yes that is what cops are trained to do!

How many times have we seen witness make false claims of an incident? Like almost every time? "He was in the car reading the bible after taking his medication." "It wasn't a gun. It was a ham sandwich." "He was a good kid looking forward to going to college." In the case of Castile, Reynolds statement that the officers did not check his pulse is disproven by the dashcam video. Even CNN says that the video shows the officer remove Castile from the vehicle, and attempt to treat him. You also left out the fact that he had a gun on his person at the time. He told the officer that he had the firearm on him, but did not tell the officer where the gun was. He also did not keep his hands in plain view. So, Castile died from his own stupidity. I had a similar incident. I was stopped for running a stop sign that I had not noticed. As soon as I had pulled over, I shut off the engine, and put both hands on my steering wheel in plain view. Before the officer said anything, I informed him that I had a firearm in the glove compartment where my registration was. His partner opened the passenger door and removed the firearm. It was in a case with a trigger lock as required by Georgia state law. The officers had me get out of the vehicle and frisked me. I did not resist. I produced my valid license, my current registration, my insurance card and my firearm permit. I was ticked for running a stop sign, and went on my merry way. I gave the officers no reason to fear for their lives, and no one died.

Since you compared the Blake shooting to the Castile shooting, I must ask, what kind of idiot would keep the license and firearm on the floorboard of their vehicle?

 

1. It doesn't matter, for their safety they have to assume.
2. Their job requires them to not stay at a safe distance as they have to arrest him, not to mention that putting him at a "safe distance" may in fact allow him to use the car as a weapon.
3. No, they should not automatically shoot, but when a violent criminal is in a position to cause harm then it is the cop's duty to make a split second assessment of the situation. The risk in this incident was fairly high. As to whether the cop acted appropriately is up to people who's job it is to assess these things, not public opinion and especially not criminal protesters or even peaceful protesters.

 

You took my words out of context. I stated that Blake fought with the officers, was tased, got up, ignored the police's lawful orders, opened the door of the vehicle and reached inside. At that point, the officers has a reasonable suspicion of serious injury or death. By the laws governing the police departments, these officers acted within the law, and the shooting was justifiable.

I have also stated that shooting Blake 7 times was in fact overkill. But then Blake did not die. His overall condition could have just as easily have been caused by one bullet. The officer should not be charged with a crime, but should be fired for firing the additional rounds. The number of rounds could have been justified if Blake had continued his actions after getting shot once like in the Michael Brown case, but that is not what the video shows.

 

Thats relatively quickly, not as fast as they do in Detroit.

 

Apparently the criminal in question has since admitted he had a knife in the car. I don't know if he admitted he was going for it.

 

Isn't that the exact opposite of what the mob wants?