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EXACTLY!!!

Pay American workers what third world workers get...and all those jobs will come back!

The nonsense that a minimum wage increase will destroy the economy...is garbage.

The economy is going to go up...it is going to go down...

...and we really have a very poor understanding of how the minimum wage will impact on it.

Fact is, whether it impacts positively or negatively...IS NOT AN ARGUMENT for not having increases. People who work ought to be paid a living wage.

 

1) wear a condom next time

2) the same reasons we have legally protected groups to begin with.

 

ive been explaining my beliefs throughout the thread.

 

Weak attempt at a straw man. This article has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that studies clearly show that raising the minimum wage not only doesn't effect job growth, it may stimulate it.

 

Why ?? Why be a Liberal.
It's not like either be a Liberal of spend time in a Penitentiary.
Or work 2nd shift at the Grotto Circus as an elephant dung sweeper.
Or is it.

 

The Exact opposite of reailty. Raising Wages Always has a curtailing
effect on job growth.
Labor costs are The Biggest factor in a company posting a profit.
That is why Hiring more in Government is not prudent.
The Government could care less about Profitability let alone
efficiency.

 

Uh, actually, let's look closer and see:

Labor leaders, who were among the strongest supporters of the citywide minimum wage increase approved last week by the Los Angeles City Council, are advocating last-minute changes to the law that could create an exemption for companies with unionized workforces.

Well, that's weird, did you tell them about the studies?

Rusty Hicks, who heads the county Federation of Labor and helps lead the Raise the Wage coalition, said Tuesday night that companies with workers represented by unions should have leeway to negotiate a wage below that mandated by the law.

You need to send those studies to these unions right now! Why if raising the minimum wage increases employment, why wouldn't they be all for this?

Some business leaders criticized the proposal, however, calling it ironic in light of union leaders' past opposition to special considerations for some employers.

"I'd refer everyone back to the statements of labor leaders over the past seven months that no one deserves a sub-minimum wage," said Ruben Gonzalez, senior vice president for public policy and political affairs with the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce, which opposed the minimum wage increase passed by the City Council.

WEAK, STRAWMAN Argument!

Last fall, the council approved an ordinance increasing the minimum wage at large hotels to $15.37 per hour. That law says that provisions of the hotel wage hike may be waived in workplaces that have collective bargaining agreements.

But the Studies!

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-los-angeles-minimum-wage-unions-20150526-story.html

 

Yes, the studies all prove my point. Your rants do nothing to disprove them. But by all means, keep foaming at the mouth. But just know that more bolded words in CAPS won't change that.

 

Yeah we're all familiar with the corporate propaganda. But the facts don't lie;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/minimum-wage-effect-on-jobs-2016-5

 

Kinda weird that Labor Unions would lobby for minimum wage increases, and the seek an exemption, and then be GRANTED and exemption!

LA unions call for exemption from $15 minimum wage they fought for



The exemption was proposed by Rusty Hicks, executive secretary-treasurer of the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor, AFL-CIO. AFL-CIO is the largest federation of labor unions in the US, with about 12.5 million members. Hicks is also the co-convener of the Campaign to Raise the Wage.

Hicks did not respond to a request for comment.

“It’s pretty hypocritical for unions to push a $15 wage law and then exempt themselves from the policy,” Matt Haller, senior vice-president of communications and public affairs at the International Franchise Association, said.

Hicks pointed out that other cities in California, including San Jose, Oakland, Richmond, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Long Beach have included similar clauses exempting unions in their wage bills.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/12/los-angeles-15-dollar-minimum-wage-unions

Seems Odd!

 

Lol, if you only you make the words even bigger and bolder, and 10 feet tall, maybe then they would convince anyone but yourself that they do a thing to disprove the fact that raising the minimum wage hurt employment.

But I do appreciate you being such a fan of unions and collective bargIning. Indeed if all workers where in such a position there might not be a need for a minimum wage. You should get Republicans on board! Lol

 

Wonkish POV that eliminates any hard economic facts.
Why do you think they have efficiency experts.
To get better productivity out of a labor force.
You sure are lazy when it comes to defending a position.
Again ... Labor costs are the biggest costs in most business'.
Which is why Wal*Mart will cease to be Wal* Mart the day it goes
Union.The Days of Unions are over.There are already workplace
protections in place.Plus OSHA enforcement.
Unions add to the cost of a product.Plus Unions could bankrupt
an entire Industry as it did in the Steel Industry.Starting with
Bethlehem Steel.Due to Legacy costs.Unions once played an
effective role in making sure of Job safety and child labor laws.
Due to a 30+ year decline in manufacturing employment ,Organized
labor and membership has fallen to its lowest rate since the 1930's.
It has also been increasingly unpopular as Governor Scott Walker
proved after wining Re-election in an effort to curb the power of
organized labor.
Unions were once the building block of the Middle Class.
That was before laws were passed to protect both skilled and
unskilled workers.

 

When you say Liberal, are we talking about a classical liberalism or the modern liberalism that isn't even liberal it's more socialist and communist. I need context before I ask questions.

 

Gee, that's odd. I wonder why these Unions keep pushing for exemptions from minimum wage increases, for their rank and file employees then?

Why Unions Exempt Themselves from Hard-Fought Minimum Wage Hikes

Although the union-funded Raise the Wage campaigned so vociferously in favor of a $15.25 minimum wage, unions are seeking exemptions from the higher wages for their members.

https://economics21.org/html/why-unions-exempt-themselves-hard-fought-minimum-wage-hikes-1339.html

That's weird. So why do these Unions want to exempt their own employees from the Minimum wage hikes they campaigned so hard for?

 

Lol...the laws unions fought for.

 

What a load of pablum.Scott Walker proved that more than once.
Unions exists for the sake of Union officials.Not for a better work force
or better efficiency.Unions exist to bully their Opposition { Republicans }
and forcibly demand that Union members vote just one ticket.
Obama's SEIU was another classic example of Unions being used
more for politics than anything else.It was SEIU members who were
caught disrupting like bullies many a Tea Party Rally.
States that are Right to Work states are doing just fine.
Unions are a White Elephant that has seen it's time.

 

So why can't human fetuses be added as a protected class from the bigotry of pro-choice that is really about suppressing and killing the weakest of us all?

 

Plenty of religiois nuts have tried that, but couldnt round up enough fellow nuts to make it happen. Still, you and they are free to keep trying though.

 

See? You really don't seem to be able to make an argument. It's a sad state of affairs when your side seems to consider snark an actual intellectual argument.

That's why we can't have nice things, like civilized public discourse.

 

Ok, how far left is a "liberal"?

 

Wow! I thought we were having a civilized public discussion, Mike.

Perhaps it is because I have such a low opinion of American conservatism that you think we are not.

Not sure what to do about that. I've tried to be reasonable and courteous to you.

If you think I am not worth the conversation...I will accept if you refuse to engage me in conversation.

 

Keep in mind how Obama the sneak pulled his Exemptions out of the
Hat trick.Adding new business' { companies } weekly to his list
Of Exemptions from ObamaCare.
There was a lesson there.Like Obama could ever have a
" teachable moment ".

 

Well If YOUR're not sure than who should be posting in yer place.
Maybe whatever old biddy runs the boarding house you stay at.

 

lol I don't know how to answer that

 

While there are rare exceptions, generally speaking arguing with your average conservative is usually an exercise in futility. You'll spend 20 minutes providing links to data supporting your argument, exposing without question why they are wrong, and they'll just deflect, throw out straw mans, or these days just throw out "HILLARY LOST, GET OVER IT! LIBERALISM IS DEAD!!!"

You cant be a right winger today, which is literally nothing more than a mindless parrot of corporate propaganda, without having super power ability for cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.