I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

But again, the woman SHOULD forfeit that right once the child is conceived. It is HER responsibility to bring that child to term. Every child is a precious gift from God.

Selfishness is sin in the eyes of God though. And yes, you WILL answer to Him unless you repent and receive Christ as Lord Savior and Master over your life.

 

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No , it isn't.

Not to everyone...

Then let HIM worry about it...it's not your job.

Take it to the religion/preaching Forum...…….here we deal in real life.

 

Christ IS real life. You just won't submit control over to Him. that's selfish pride right there and that is sin.

 

Still never got a response from you.

Figured this was under the surface. But where in the Bible does God condone abortion? From what I read it appears he’s perfectly fine with killing children.

Exodus 12:29-30

“At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he and all his servants and all the Egyptians. And there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where someone was not dead.”

Hosea 13:16
“Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.”

Not much morality here.

 

And you are incapable of context. God brought judgment upon Pharaoh and his firstborn because of the hardness of his heart. God does bring judgment upon sin. That is a fact.

 

You call me stupid and then threaten me?
I will consider the source.....anyway, you seem to have trouble understanding how society and culture works. Rights vary in importance. Not all are against the law. Discrimination was not against the law now it is. The discriminated against always had a right to be treated equally and they knew it, but society finally came to a point where it agreed discrimination was intolerable and passed laws prohibiting it. So legality does not define rights. Rights exist because the ethical judgement of society says this person is morally entitled to be treated in a certain way.
I said persons but every living thing has rights like not to be abused or tortured, not to be killed without sufficient justification. That would cover a fetus as well.

 

Oh there’s a context where it’s okay to kill children. Here I thought you said “every child is a precious gift from God.” I guess just not those ones.

Oh and btw what kind of god would kill people’s children as punishment for their wrong doings?

 

""""not to be killed without sufficient justification""""


MEANING, if YOU think it's OK to kill or any other Anti-Choicer thinks it's OK to kill, then it's OK....as if YOU rule on the justification???

NO, you don't.


Ya, I've seen Anti-Choicers talk about how bad it is to take a precious life and give justification for war by saying the dead aren't really "precious life" but "collateral damage"....WEASELING OUT is what I call it...

 

Is the woman killing for life and freedom?

Usually in a war they try not to target the innocent. (When they do specifically target the innocent with the primary aim of killing them, that's considered a war crime)

 

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Ya, I've seen Anti-Choicers talk about how bad it is to take a precious life and give justification for war by saying the dead aren't really "precious life" but "collateral damage"....WEASELING OUT is what I call it...

Thank you for proving my point in the post above.

Doesn't matter what the target is, "precious innocent lives" are killed in ALL wars.

Are soldiers killing BORN humans, innocent precious lives , for LIFE and FREEDOM?

 

What are the reasons for that killing? Are those reasons justified?

Don't you think there's a little bit of a difference between an intentional killing and an incidental killing?

 

Why dont we keep things as they are until the constitution is amended

 

Has anyone explored the OP's( Sackeshi) progressive credentials yet? Do we know that the OP is a Pro-life liberal, or is everyone too pissed at his pro-life arguments to care?

 

America is a SECULAR nation and no one has to "answer" to anyone's imaginary deity!

 

Wrong, again! Pointing out an obvious absence of subject matter knowledge is not the same thing as calling anyone "studid". That you took it personally is NOT my problem. Furthermore a WARNING is NOT a threat, it is a NOTIFICATION that the PF Rules are there for a REASON and you can chose whether or not you want to abide by them. Failure to do so will incur self inflicted consequences.

Yet another fatuous projection.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

This nation was FOUNDED upon the principle of everyone being equal.

This nation fought a bloody Civil War because the racists in the South refused to accept that all Americans deserve to be treated equitably.

Complete and utter nonsense!

Wrong again! Rights exist because We the People UPHOLD each other's rights.

A carrot is a "living thing" but when you boil it isn't that the equivalent of abusive torture by your specious definition?
Why is it OK for you to torture carrots by boiling them to death? Why are you denying carrots their "right not to be abused and tortured"?

Your inane position has no legal basis and your feeble attempt to cast a "wide net" has just been exposed as ludicrous.

The REALITY that we are dealing with for all PRACTICAL and PRAGMATIC purposes is that a fetus is only a POTENTIAL human being. A great many things can and do go wrong between conception and birth. To grant a fetus Constitutional Rights means SUBVERTING the rights of women. You have utterly failed to provide any rational basis for granting a fetus any rights and you have not even attempted to explain why the rights of women must become subservient to those of a fetus.

 

The OP has subsequently discredited his own "progressive credentials" with the content of his posts.

 

Yes, Abortion is the litmus test for being a progressive, isn't it?

 

And it's still the reason abortion is supported and remains legal.

Exterminating the undesirables is okay as long as the woman is the one making the choice.

 

Abortion is intentional killing of something that can't feel or think and isn't born.

War is the intentional killing of BORN persons who suffer and die in war .

You use the term "incidental" killing....but no matter how Anti-Choicers sugar coat the dead of war they are still DEAD....and they ARE STILL innocent precious lives.

 

What an erroneous twisted view ...and you still haven't looked up the word "eugenics" yet...

 

Your “god” and his supposed “gifts” can have a bearing on the law and people’s rights when he testifies before Congress.

 

What's the difference between a mother killing her undesirable child and the government making her do it? Same result.

Both kill someone they don't like.

Abortion, war, death penalty (unless 100% known killer of children or innocent people) needs to end. UHC free college and guaranteed housing needs to be a thing

 

Big difference. A woman having an abortion retains the right to her own body. The government forcing her to abort OR GESTATE is slavery.

No, the woman kills something she doesn't want. And it's hers to do with as she pleases.

and none will or have..

That will NOT happen with this administration.

 

I must apologize for my misinterpretation of your words as being impolite and angry without justification. Please forgive me.

"Rights vary in importance. Not all are against the law." That was a crude statement and not what I meant to say. Rights vary in importance. If you violate someone's rights, depending on the right, the price could be a death sentence to a slap on the wrist.

Denying women the right to vote, racial discrimination, child abuse at one time were not against the law. The law does not always define or protect rights. Your neigh saying otherwise is groundless.

You say: "Rights exist because We the People UPHOLD each other's rights.." A superficial statement. I told you why. Please reread.

It is indeed difficult to torture a carrot. "Every living thing" taken to extreme is ludicrous. I did not define my terms for the sake of brevity. But I hope you agree that the family cat has a right not to be tortured. That a hog can lose his right to live because we are justified in eating bacon. Is a fetus a living thing?

I have NEVER (I can use upper case too) said the rights of the woman should be subservient to the fetus. I think exactly the opposite.

All rights are not "Constitution Rights".You need to read some books on ethics and philosophy.

 

Rights vary with age

A two year old cannot vote, a three year old cannot swear in public, at least not in front of its mother, and a four year old does not have the right to refuse Broccoli

The question becomes more intense when you look at primacy of rights

Whose rights are more important