I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

Men are not responsible for the ""consequences of the reproductive desires or decisions of others""


They are responsible for their children.
You think they shouldn't be. You won't change my mind nor the law.
They have exactly the same right to their own body as women do.

AGAIN: why haven't you taken your case to court?

 

Would you say that "women can have abortions" if abortions were not provided within the health system but it wasn't illegal for a woman to get one by another means?

Are you saying that you didn't admit that you don't have a point?

Asking someone to "define something" is something that a 1st grader would ask? Surely you can't be serious!

 

I am normally in agreement with Fox. That said - what exactly are you referring to. Do you know what we are talking about ?

If so then agree that one person should be responsible for the consequences of the unilateral actions of another. So if your friend robs a bank - you agree that the cops should throw you in jail ?

 

Sure, but pregnancy is unique to women. There is no male equivalent.

 

A Penis is unique to a man ... so if a friend of yours rapes a woman - should you be thrown in jail because you happen to have a penis.

What part of the rule of law - "One person is not to be punished for the actions of another" are you having trouble understanding ?

 

Sure, but there is a female equivalent.

I agree, which is why I am against government forced child support. However, I don't see the imbalance between male and female that you are seeing.

 

Obviously you completely misunderstood something in one of my posts - or just read one line out of context.

The whole argument I am making is exactly that - "against Gov't forced child support" - in the case of an unintended pregnancy being carried to term.

 

This:

You seemed to be saying that the only way for the law to treat men and women equally is for it to not only require both men and women to pay child support, but also for something else to apply. You say, "why should the state not be able to do the same to a woman", but the state CAN do the same to a woman, as they also have to pay child support.

 

Men are not responsible for the ""consequences of the reproductive desires or decisions of others""


They are responsible for their children.
You think they shouldn't be. You won't change my mind nor the law.


They have exactly the same right to their own body as women do.

 

Here's some questions for YOU:



Why are you so obsessed with what my sex is?

Are you some kind of sick weirdo?

Desperate for a date and all the dating websites kicked you off ?

Or just an ignorant sexist who can't separate a person's sex from their words??


OR maybe, since you've never made a concrete statement about any topic , maybe you just need something to talk about...oh, I should say "ask" about since questions are your thing, never statements of what you believe..

 

The statement is not a statement of what I think. The statement is of the form "if one agrees with X, then Y is true".

So - If (one agrees with law that forces a a person (in this case a man) to be responsible for the consequences of the decisions/actions of another (in this case a woman) then one is also agreeing for the case where it is the woman who is forced to be responsible for the consequences of the decision of a man.

 

This is not about what I think. This is about logical consistency and the rule of law. Belief in the rule of law is not belief in the rule of law "Only for things one agrees with". This is the big mistake that you are making. Belief in the rule of law is belief in the rule of law - even for things you disagree with.

I believe in the rule of law and legal consistency. This means that sometimes - someone who I personally think is guilty - may go free. Do we throw out "innocent until proven guilty" on this basis ? Some are arguing we should.

Your initial claim is completely false - despite your desperate and fallacious attempts obfuscate.

The law currently makes one person responsible for the consequences of the unilateral actions of another.
I get that you don't care about consistency in law and violation of the rule of law - and this is your choice. I get that you are only for the rule of law and consistency in law "for things you agree with" - and that you are OK with the complete hypocrisy.

It is what it is. What do you want me to tell you ? "Don't worry - its OK". Its not OK. It is this kind of horrible logic that leads to really bad law .. not just in relation to things you agree with but things you don't.

Violating the above principles could well lead to some right wing religious extremists getting into power and violating the rights of women ... and in fact this is happening.

The reason is happening is because of people like you - people who do not care about the rule of law or consistency in law.

 

Was Fox saying that women shouldn't have to pay for child support but men should? I'm pretty sure I asked them if women should pay and they said yes.

 

No, no, no and no! Given your lack of reply to my last post, I assume that you have reached the end of your ability to debate. You did pretty well though, so I can't criticise you too much! http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-up-the-fight.543537/page-98#post-1070352257

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Here's some questions for YOU:

Why are you so obsessed with what my sex is?

Are you some kind of sick weirdo?

Desperate for a date and all the dating websites kicked you off ?

Or just an ignorant sexist who can't separate a person's sex from their words??

Given your lack of reply to "" Why are you so obsessed with what my sex is?" I assume you have nothing else...since you never have anything to state about the topic.


I CAN criticize you since you had nothing and said nothing....

 

My goodness , have you ever seen someone about this sick obsession you have with my gender?

There IS help if you just seek it out...


Loneliness is usually why this need is manifested,..... no friends, no loved ones...and then one becomes obsessed with another poster's sex.


Do you have any other reason??

 

You? Better than me? Lol

 

No , abortion doesn’t allow a life to develop

 

Don't worry, he has a vivid ( and erroneous) imagination and uses it for all his posts.

 

She was not.. at least not to me. She is saying that a man should be forced, through law, to be responsible for the financial consequences of a woman's unilateral decision to carry an unintended pregnancy to term.

 

If it is growing it is alive, The biological process is happening.

 

It's still OK to kill it.

 

Then I guess an acorn is a tree

 

She is saying that a man AND a women should be forced, through law to pay child support. I say "she" because you seem to be under the impression that you know that Fox is a female, even though you refuse to confirm that you know it for a fact.

 

In your opinion.