I'm sure China will share. China buying up massive amounts of farmland.

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  1. Pipette8

    Pipette8 Well-Known Member

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    China is making a big play for farmland around the world. There are a lot of people in many different countries that are very concerned about this land grab. Globalist elites pushing free trade have enabled China to gobble up tens of millions of acres of some of the most valuable land in the world. If anyone thinks China has plans for more Live Aid or We are the World moments think again. No more food security. Nice.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...why-is-china-snatching-up-australian-farmland
    https://www.marketplace.org/2016/09/19/world/chinese-investors-are-buying-french-farmland
    https://southeastproduceweekly.com/...orldwide-agriculture-interests-usda-says-yes/
     
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    China has seemed more than able to feed it's population up to now domestically from within t's own borders.What strikes me as odd is why they would do this now, at a time when their population is beginning to decline, and is projected to continue declining??
     
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    America subsidizes obesity. America has illegal workers who readily accept slave wages. It's a trifecta. Insatiable appetite, infinite supply of serfs, and bottomless trough of SNAP funding.
     
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    I agree that America subsidizes, and even condones obesity. China is not buying up our farmland to feed the obese masses in the US though. China's world-wide land grab of farmland, I suspect, has more to do with food being used in the future as a kind of weapon. Whoever owns water rights, and the means to grow food, not just land, but seeds, and pesticides (China is buying up some of the biggest seed and pesticide companies in the world) rules the world.
    It makes no sense for the US to spend $800 billion on the military building ever more lethal weapons to fight against China (for one) and then let the Chinese and global investors buy up all our farmland and seed supplies.

    Stalin used food as a weapon against his own people. Millions starved to death after he confiscated all the farm land from the Kulaks. Mao caused the starvation of 45 million Chinese:
    Because local communist cadres were in charge of food distribution, they were able to withhold food from anyone of whom they disapproved. Old, sick and weak individuals were often regarded as unproductive and hence expendable
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao's_Great_Famine
     
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    bingo
     
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    The weaponization of food on a massive scale.
     
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    They sure know how to spend Americans money don't they... Buy China made, what's the worst that could happen ;)
     
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    Just capitalism in action.

    In the US the largest 100 landowners keep increasing their share of land in the US, now equivalent to the land mass of 5 states:

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    I guess you don't have a problem with this, but you have a problem with Chinese capitalists doing it? If the US capitalists were smart, maybe they would be doing the same thing, instead of lobbying the government for more tax breaks.
     
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    We all starve?
     
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    Anything is possible, that's why Americans should always put America and Americans first!
     
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    I do have a problem with any one who buys up massive amounts of farmland, jacks up seed prices, dictates how crops should be grown. I have a special problem with China, who has a history of starving people to death, buying up massive amounts of land.
    I don't give a crap about US or Chinese capitalists. I give a crap about the small farmer , and food production in the hands of globalists.
     
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    Not as effective as the weaponization of weapons.
     
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    If you own farmland you can choose to take it out of production. You can do that for political and strategic purposes. China can do that.
     
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    It's a good scheme in the short term to circumvent US agricultural tariffs. Where they're buying land will be a pretty good indication of what they're intentions are. Louisiana was home to a lot of rice plantations and land there should still be cheap post hurricane disaster. Soy bean farms are folding too. Buy them up and curb US exports that way. So trade concessions on soy beans only look good on paper.
     
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    yeah, but if that actually occurs, we (us gov) will confiscate the land & refarm it, it's not like we'll be standing by, while starving, and say "oh darn it, wish those chinese would grow food for us on our land" ;)
     
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    So, you have a problem with inequality of land ownership, and rightly so. Do you also have a problem with inequality in capital ownership? Why would you think that a US capitalist land owner has the interest of small farmers at heart more so than Chinese capitalist land owners?
     
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    Its not as important of what and where they are buying it how they can afford to make these sort of plays/buys!
     
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    They, China, must have barges of $100 bills. Buying US bonds / securities is a counter productive exercise, and is low yeild. We borrow to make the interest payments on our debt. China deprives us, while enriching themselves by investing this way. I hear China is buying utilities stocks too.
     
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    Stop putting words in my mouth. I am for capitalism but globalism is not capitalism. If America were truly a capitalist country it would not be passing laws that benefit no one but the wealthiest. Small farming is (was) capitalism at its best. It was competitive, and diversified and that was good for everyone. Now the globalists, including the Chinese you shill for, set the prices for commodities and for seeds, decide what is grown, how it is grown. and who will get to buy it. Those who control food production control the world.
     
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    The shrinking American farmer(s) is a generational problem, one being small farmers are family run and unfortunately siblings are opting out of running the family farms.. Corporate and automation is quickly replacing family farms that are being sold off by Son and Daughters that have much easier careers in mind.

    In the end farming will all be corporations and hired help to monitor, repair and maintain automated equipment..
     
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    China saves and invests, the US borrows and spends. And that's not an indictment on government, but rather individual behavior.
     
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    I'm not shilling for China at all. I just don't get the disconnect of condemning capitalist behavior when the "globalists" do it, but not condemning it when a US capitalist does it.

    There is really not much conceptual difference of Chinese capitalists buying land to increase its value and making a profit, vs. US corporate capitalists buying back shares to increase their value. Both do it for unearned profit (rent seeking).
     
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    I think it's an indictment of both. We subsidize obesity, and Obama's "stimulus checks" were costly, and disgraceful. Liberals privately, and politically, view much of their income as being "disposable". China thrives on our excesses, and addiction to instant gratification oriented, impulsive spending.
     
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    Not good. It is also buying up oil fields in Texas, and US aquifers The Committee of Foreign Investment, chaired by who else--the Treasury Department, is supposed to be making sure foreign investment poses no risk to the US. To sell our water and farmland to foreign investors, some of them our adversaries, is definitely posing a huge risk to Americans.
     
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    Having farm land in every zone in the world means having fresher food available from any place on Earth, any time of year.
     

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