Immunologist Warns Pfizer and Moderna Coronavirus Vaccines May Cause Neurodegenerative Disorders

Immunologist Warns Pfizer and Moderna Coronavirus Vaccines May Cause Neurodegenerative Disorders

Link: https://yournews.com/2021/02/23/203...navirus-vaccines-may-cause-neurodegenerative/

I am not (NOT) a physician, a microbiologist, or a medical researcher. OK? And I'm not an "anti-vaxer", either....

Nevertheless, I came across this article and thought I would open a thread to see what those with a great deal of education, experience, and knowledge in the medical/vaccine fields think of what this article reports. Crap? Useful information? I don't know, but perhaps some other posters may have a viewpoint.

The warning only appears to be directed to the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines at this point.

 

This is the original article, which SHOULD have been cited by your source:

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

My first reading is the following: If I were to peer review this article, I would have rejected it, based on the following issue:

To show that the prion-inducing sequences in the BioNTech mRNA are actually a problem, the author would have to show how common these sequences are in other mRNAs, including human ones. I am not a geneticist, but I believe that a four base GG*A motif, for example, would be extremely common. For example, a quick search for GGTA in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/?term=GGTA+AND+srcdb_refseq[PROP] reveals almost 6750 hits, many in bacteria and fungi, but also some in humans.

Without this information, it is impossible to determine whether these sequences actually would have clinical relevance. Furthermore, the mRNA is short lived, once injected. It is unstable on the bench after a few days at RT, so it will be even more unstable once injected at body temperature Therefore, I doubt that these effects will materialize when mRNA with similar sequences is probably intrinsically and permanently present in the body.

Now, I think research should follow up on these questions, it is better to be safe than sorry. If there is a problem, I am sure these sequences can be modified to eliminate these mRNA sequence repeats, without losing activity. That's the beauty of the genetic code, each amino acid can be made by multiple mRNA sequences.

 

A good article. I'm surprised they allowed it to be published.

I wonder if the neurological effects may be manifest with this woman:

 

Neurological problems aren't widespread but they also are not unheard of after getting the jab. That has been reported all along.

 

... IOW, the covid jabs that are making use of the new, experimental, rushed, unproven, and untested mRNA technology...

 

Did you read the original article? If so, why is it a "good article" in your opinion? Plus, who are "they" who allow publishing or not? Is it the deep state or peer reviewers? Inquiring minds would like to know.

 

What “neurological problems”?

 

You can begin with the ones that paused the trials.

 

The case that paused the Pfizer trial was transverse myelitis. That's a totally different disease than the prion-caused diseases the OP and the literature referred in it talk about.

 

Guy's a notorious anti-vax quack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bart_Classen

 

@Pollycy this is crap. Junk science. Do notice that the sole author is the owner of Classen Immunotherapies, Inc. He is a notorious anti-vaxxer who established a bogus patent for his alleged method of verifying vaccine safety and then keeps suing vaccine makers alleging patent violations. The American Council on Sciences and Health has warned the public against Dr. J. Bart Classen's dangerous ideas.

Anti-vaxxers keep whining that the mRNA and the DNA vaccines will alter human genes. Actually these mRNA vaccines degrade within 8 hours of administration and have a very focused effect. All this crap that this guy is ranting about is theoretical. It's just because he THINKS that it will happen; no evidence whatsoever that it does happen. Prion disease? Pfftt...

Regarding neurological events, indeed the AstraZeneca vaccine had two individuals who developed neurological disorders during the trial. One was considered to be unrelated to the vaccine. The other one, possibly related (a case of transverse myelitis). Sure, it's a risk, similar to the risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome seen with certain flu shots. The thing, though, is that 1 or 2 individuals among the now hundreds of millions who have received the vaccines is a safety record actually way better than the one for most vaccines and most medications.

Don't worry. These vaccines are safe, and Dr. Classen is nuts.

 

His last crusade was scaremongering his dumb theory that flu vaccines cause diabetes. It was all based on lab experiments he did on mice over 30 years ago, and it was all junk science, and none of it could be replicated.

If it walks like a quack and quacks like a quack...

 

Yep, without even knowing that the author is an anti-vaxxer (which I didn't), just a brief glance on the article would tell you that the "evidence" presented is extremely limited (see my previous post). Who publishes articles with a results section that is 2 short paragraphs long (not me), and basically contains limited analysis of a sequence search that any 1st year biochem student can do in 2 hours? Plus, controls are totally missing? Of course, nobody reads the original article, just the RW media mischaracterization of it, to further some ant-vaccine agenda.

 

This is a very good discussion so far. I would encourage others with experience and education in the 'medical field' to weigh-in, especially a poster who has worked tirelessly to pass on a great deal of helpful information and commentary -- @CenterField

Disclaimer: I'm just a retired 'old guy', who is trying to make up his mind about WHICH vaccine to choose, since it seems that as time passes, we will be able to pick-and-choose between them. At this point, I'm waiting for the J&J "jab". ONE shot, and the vaccine doesn't have to be stored in freezers whose reliability may vary a LOT, at the temperature of 'Deep Space', by those who 'jab' you.... And, I'm hoping that before too long we can get vaccinated at our own private doctor's offices by professionals -- instead of well-meaning volunteers who learned most of what they know about administering 'shots' from watching a few videos on YouTube or something....

A really good reason to be 'jabbed' at your doctor's office is that if (IF) you do have a really bad initial reaction to the vaccine, then the DOCTOR'S OFFICE is the place you would really want to be... right?

Like nearly 80% - 90% of us, I WILL definitely be vaccinated eventually -- no question about that... and I predict that proof of vaccination will be required by the government by this time next year anyway in order for a person to do almost anything or go almost anywhere.

Now... please continue. I'm learning something!

 

So if you took the first Moderna shot, would you take the second?

 

Thank you so much for your analysis, CenterField. It is the contributions of experienced professionals like yourself which make all the difference in helping the rest of us arrive at informed, useful decisions in our own lives! I took a grand total of two (TWO) courses in chemistry at the college level, and that was a million years ago, 'when dinosaurs roamed the Earth'. Thus, I consider myself to be totally ignorant regarding vaccinations -- except that they have saved the lives of countless millions of people. Again, thank you!

 

Just saw this today. I honestly don't know what to make of all this. It sounds like it hasn't been okay for some people. This was the AstraZeneca one.

Italy: Dozens of Teachers Sick After Receiving Coronavirus Vaccine

https://dailytruthreport.com/italy-dozens-of-teachers-sick-after-receiving-coronavirus-vaccine/

 

Spot on.

 

The only thing that this article demonstrates is that Italian teachers are prone to calling in sick...
They've experienced "fever, malaise, and pain in the bones" which are known and common side effects to Covid-19 vaccines, and dissipate in a day or two. Some people may choose to take Tylenol or Ibuprofen for these. I actually wouldn't because these medications can blunt cell immunity (they are definitely not recommended before the shots; someone on any of the NSAIDS should stop them at least a week before vaccination unless very necessary to treat other conditions), but a couple of doses after the vaccination shouldn't hurt. These vaccines are called "reactogenic" like the shingles one. They do cause significant side effects. These side effects are not dangerous. They beat the alternative (catching the actual disease). Second doses have more side effects.

These side effects are NOT a reason for concern and have nothing to do with the issues we're discussing here such as transverse myelitis.

Why not? Absolutely. And it's needed. Second shots do have more side effects, which are a small price to pay for the added efficacy.

 

You're welcome.

You are correct that people with a history of severe allergy to injectable medications should only take these vaccines in a location where epi-pens and reanimation devices are available, as well as the professionals who can assist in case of severe anaphylaxis.

But to put this in perspective, the Pfizer vaccine has causes anaphylaxis in 11 out of 1 million doses, and the Moderna, even fewer cases, 2 to 3 in 1 million doses. Also, do consider that ALL people who suffered these reactions, recovered just fine with no lingering complications.

 

I was merely commenting on the fact that I find it confusing to know what to believe. I have been vaccine-injured (back in college and my body has never fully recovered) so I know that some people can and do get very ill from them. And, as a layperson, it's hard to make sense of all the conflicting information about these matters.

 

Now, how can we tell that this article is crappy journalistic alarmism in search of clicks? (And maybe also with an anti-vaccine agenda)?

They mentioned teachers who called in sick with side effects... and the picture they pick to illustrate the article is one that shows someone being rushed to a care location with IVs and all. It implies that this is how sick these teachers got... even the title of the article is misleading. They said they got "sick." Nope, they merely experienced some side effects.

 

I thought the photo was an odd choice and can certainly see how it's playing to a false correlation.

 

I'm not blaming you, and I'm sorry to hear that you experienced a bad reaction to a vaccine, back in college.

I have never pretended that vaccines are 100% safe. Nothing is. There is no medication or vaccine known to men that doesn't have the potential to cause in specific individuals, idiosyncratic reactions of concern. The thing, though, is to verify how frequent these are, how dangerous, and how they compare to the statistical occurrence of the damage inflicted by the disease the vaccine is seeking to prevent. Which is exactly why we had phase 3 trials.

Given that you were one of the rare unlucky ones, I understand that it feels very different, from your perspective, and I sympathize with you on this, and regret that it happened to you. But from the standpoint of public health which looks at populations rather than individuals, if you have 2 or 3 cases of a severe but non-fatal reaction for each 1 million doses, in order to prevent an illness that kills between 1 in 50 and 1 in 100 people, and causes severe organ damage in 1 in 5 to 1 in 10 people, then the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks.

 

I absolutely understand the statistical reasons this makes sense.

Thank you for your kindness.