In support of Darren Wilson

Cops shooting unarmed black kids to death don't have enough latitude?




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IOW it was a petty attempt at a smear.

 

So you can't OK.

You seem to be happy that this police officer has lost his job, no matter what happens he will never again be able to patrol those streets as it would be to dangerous for him and in fact anywhere in the country unless he changes his name and looks. That is an outcome you would like to see isn't it. Anytime a police officer confronts a black person that's it for them no matter if the black person was breaking the law and the police officer was in the right. I have read you previous post.

 

My question had nothing to with bigotry else I would have pointed out the bigotry against this white police officer and whites in general.

Actually they are based on the evidence we have at hand unlike the made up stories and phony assertions by those now desperate to come up with something ANYTHING to defend Brown, like 4 shots would have been OK but not 6.

In fact the weight of the evidence does confirm it.

Compared to Brown's family and supporters and attorney's??? You ARE joking. And that Al Sharpton is going to give the eulogy at the funeral for this criminal?

The evidence will be withheld until the investigation into the shooting is over as is ALWAYS the case. Yes some information has leaked such as the injuries to the officer and the 12 witnesses that support the officer and the contemporaneous account.

But do tell me what evidence do the protesters and lynch mob have on which to demand a guilty verdict even before the grand jury has issued it's decision? What evidence do they have that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that it was murder by the police officer? Nothing.

Talk about bigotry and prejudgement...............and what do you think the Feds are going to do? All they can do is a civil rights violation investigation. Do you realize that their civil rights violations investigation into the Zimmerman/Martin incident IS STILL ONGOING!!!! They have issued NOT FINDINGS. TWO FRIGGEN YEARS after the trial!!!!

How do you think it is going to play out if the grand jury decides no indictment? If the DA says there is no evidence to prove it was an unjustifiable shooting and in fact the officer DID have a reasonable fear of imminent serious bodily harm or death?

This is not about justice it is about retribution the law be damned as far as the "protesters".

The Feds will look at one thing, was Brown's civil rights violated by the officer and were they INTENTIONALLY violated.

You are aware of the recorded contemporaneous recording made at the scene of a witness giving an account of what happened, that Brown when told to freeze turned and bumrush the officer and THEN he was shot. You are aware of that. And you are aware of the statement from the officer through the family friend with says the same thing. Both of those statements were given without the knowledge of the other. And then the reports from CNN and the St. Louis Post Dispatch that the police have interviewed 12 witnesses, interview done immediately after and before the media blowup and the protest and those accounts corroborate the officer and the contemporaneous witness.

Don't you find that the least bit compelling? What have we had on the Brown side? The accomplice story, the man we now know plead guilty to a previous filing a false report to the police. The phony "ME" autopsy statements the family out out.

The man not only needs defending, his career is ruined, he and his family are in hiding under death threats. He will be in danger the rest of his life with a bounty on him.

 

Tell me does it bring joy to your heart that this officer and his family are in hiding under death threats, cannot even be in their own home at night, his children can't go to their school? That his career is effectively over as a police officer, he certainly can NEVER go back to patrolling the streets of Ferguson or St. Louis. That he will forever have to watch out for a black person putting a gun to the back of his head or fire bombing his house?

That really make your day?

 

Are you denying the statement of the contemporaneous witness and the reports on CNN and in the St. Louis Post Dispatch citing 12 witness that back that statement of events. I started a thread on that one did you miss it? Are you denying the reports of the injuries the officer sustained?

Post the info that says otherwise?

 

why not
the blacks have already tried and convicted the cop and Im sure if given half the chance they would execute him also
so stop with your one sided hypocritical bull crap

 

You've made my point over and over again!

 

No, it does not bring joy to my heart to see anyone suffer. I suspect that it brings joy to your heart to see young Black men, "thugs" in your venacular, shot by policemen.

 

I have yet to see one word of empathy for him. And in fact make light of his and his family suffering

"You should mortgage your home and send Mr. Wilson all the proceeds. It's the least you can do."
"How much money are you sending to this fund Mac-7? I urge you to be very generous.:icon_pee:"

Why do you seem to support what is making him suffer?

It certainly brings relief when anyone who is engaged in violent crime and then attacks a policemen trying to apprehend him stop the person even if it ends in the death of that person.

 

Having several members of my family in law enforcement and knowing their characters, w/o them to 'Serve & Protect" this country would be in anarchy!

Most naive ppl if put in that cop's position would have peed or sh-- their pants b4 unloading their guns wildly in panic (most likely hitting the innocent), or just hiding like cowards.....

 

Land of the Free? 5,000 Americans Killed by Cops Since 9/11



http://thefreethoughtproject.com/land-free-5000-americans-killed-cops-911/



There are reports that American police kill 500 or more Americans every year. Few of these murdered Americans posed a threat to police. https://www.dojmedia.com/u-s-police-have-killed-over-5000-civilians-since-911/ Police murder Americans for totally implausible reasons. For example, a few days before Michael Brown was gunned down in Ferguson, John Crawford picked up a toy gun from a WalMart shelf in the toy department and was shot and killed on the spot by police goons.http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/family-man-killed-cops-walmart-demands-surveillance-video Less than four miles from Ferguson, goon thugs murdered another black man on August 19. The police claims of “threat” are disproved by the video of the murder released by the police.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Five hundred is more than one killing by police per day. Yet the reports of the shootings seldom get beyond the local news. Why then has the Ferguson, Missouri, police killing of Michael Brown gone international?

Probably the answer is the large multi-day protests of the black community in Ferguson that led to the state police being sent to Ferguson and now the National Guard. Also, domestic police in full military combat gear with armored personnel carriers and tanks pointing numerous rifles in the faces of unarmed civilians and arresting and threatening journalists make good video copy. The “land of the free” looks like a Gestapo Nazi state. To much of the world, which has grown to hate American bullying, the bullying of Americans by their own police is poetic justice.

For those who have long protested racial profiling and police brutality toward racial minorities, the police murder of Michael Brown in Ferguson is just another in a history of racists murders.http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/20/racial-repression-and-the-murder-of-mike-brown/print Rob Urie is correct that blacks receive disproportionate punishment from the white criminal justice (sic) system. See, for example: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/william-norman-grigg/mother-faces-11-years-in-prison/Former US Representative Dennis Kucinich, others and i see Michael Brown’s murder as reflective of the militarization of the police and police training that creates a hostile police attitude toward the public. The police are taught to view the public as threats against whom the use of violence is the safest course for the police officers.

This doesn’t mean that racism is not also involved. Polls show that a majority of white Americans are content with the police justification for the killing. Police apologists are flooding the Internet with arguments against those of the opposite persuasion. Only those who regard the police excuse as unconvincing are accused of jumping to conclusions before the jury’s verdict is in. Those who jump to conclusions favorable to the police are regarded as proper Americans.

What I address in this article is non-evidential considerations that determine a jury’s verdict and the incompetence of Ferguson’s government that caused the riots and looting.

Unless the US Department of Justice makes Michael Brown’s killing a federal case, the black community in Ferguson is powerless to prevent a cover-up.

What usually happens in these cases is that the police concoct a story protective of the police officer(s) and the prosecutor does not bring an indictment. As Obama and his Attorney General, Eric Holder, are partially black (in skin color alone), the black majority community in Ferguson, Missouri, might have hopes from Holder’s visit. However, nothing could be more clear than the fact that Obama and Holder, along with the rest of “black leadership,” have been co-opted by the white power structure. How else would Obama and Holder be in office? Do you think that the white power structure puts in office people who want justice for minorities or for anyone other than the mega-rich?

The 1960s were a time of black leadership, but that leadership was assassinated (Martin Luther King) or co-opted. Black leaders sold out for prestige appointments and corporate board memberships. Today black leadership is marginalized and exists only at local levels if at all.

If the cop who killed Brown is indicted and he is tried in Ferguson, the jury will contain whites who live in Ferguson. Unless there is a huge change in white sentiment about the killing, no white juror can vote to convict the white cop and continue to live in Ferguson. The hostility of the white community toward white jurors who took the side of a “black hoodlum who stole cigars” against the white police officer would make life for the jurors impossible in Ferguson.

The trouble with purely racial explanations of police using excessive force is that cops don’t limit their excesses to racial minorities. White people suffer them also. Remember the recent case of Cecily McMillan, an Occupy protester who was brutalized by a white good thug with a record of using excessive force. McMillan is a young white woman. Her breasts were seized from behind, and when she swung around her elbow reflexively and instinctively came up and hit the goon thug. She was arrested for assaulting a police officer and sentenced by a jury to a term in jail. The prosecutor and judge made certain that no evidence could be presented in her defense. Medical evidence of the bruises on her breast and the police officer’s record of police brutality were not allowed as evidence in her show trial, the purpose of which was to intimidate Occupy protesters.

In America white jurors are usually sheep who do whatever the prosecutor wants. As Cecily McMillan, a white woman, could not get justice, it is even less likely that the black family of Michael Brown will. Those who are awaiting a jury’s verdict to decide Michael Brown’s case are awaiting a cover-up and the complicity of the US criminal justice (sic) system in murder.

If there is a federal indictment of the police officer, and the trial is held in a distant jurisdiction, there is a better chance that a jury would consider the facts. But even these precautions would not eliminate the racist element in white jurors’ decisions.

The situation in Ferguson was so badly handled it almost seems like the police state, in responding to the shooting, intended to provoke violence so that the American public could become accustomed to military force being applied to unarmed civilian protests.

Ferguson brings to mind the Boston Marathon Bombing. Two brothers of foreign extraction allegedly set off a “pressure cooker bomb” left in a backpack that killed and injured race participants or observers. The two brothers were deemed, without any evidence, to be so dangerous that the entirety of Boston and its suburbs were “locked down” while 10,000 heavily armed police and military patrolled the streets in military vehicles conducting door-to-door searches forcing residents from their homes at gun point, while the police ransacked homes where it was totally obvious the brothers were not hiding. Not a single family evicted from their residences at gunpoint said: “Thank God you are here. The bombers are hiding in our home.”

The excessive display of force and warrantless police home intrusions is the reason that aware and thoughtful Americans do not believe one word of the official account of the Boston Marathon Bombing. Thoughtful people wonder why every American does not see the bombing as an orchestrated state act of terror in order to accustom Americans to the lock-down of a city and police intrusion into their homes. Logistically, it is impossible to assemble 10,000 armed troops so quickly. The obvious indication is that the readiness of the troops indicates pre-planning.

In Ferguson all that was needed to prevent mass protests and looting was for the police chief, mayor or governor to immediately announce that there would be a full investigation by a civic committee independent of the police and that the black community should select the members it wished to serve on the investigative committee.

Instead, the name of the cop who killed Michael Brown was withheld for days, a video allegedly of Michael Brown taking cigars from a store was released as a justification for his murder by police. These responses and a variety of other stupid police and government responses convinced the black community, which already knew in its bones, that there would be a coverup.

It is entirely possible that the police chief, mayor, and governor lacked the intelligence and judgment to deal with the occasion. In other words, perhaps they are too stupid to be in public office. The incapacity of the American public to elect qualified representatives is world-renown. But it is also possible that Michael Brown’s killing provided another opportunity to accustom Americans to the need for military violence to be deployed against the civilian population in order to protect us from threats.

Occupy Wall Street was white, and these whites were overwhelmed by police violence.This is why I conclude that more is involved in Ferguson than white racist attitudes toward blacks.

The founding fathers warned against allowing US military forces to be deployed against the American people, and the Posse Comitatus Act prevents the use of military forces against civilians. These restrictions designed to protect liberty have been subverted by the George W. Bush and Obama regimes.

Today Americans have no more protection against state violence than Germans had under National Socialism.

Far from being a “light unto the world,” America is descending into cold hard tyranny.

Who will liberate us?






The author of this writing is a CONSERVATIVE.

 

He is an economic conservative and a social liberal.

So at what number are the police supposed to stop using justifiable force each year? When it hist 250? That's about how many police officers are killed each year, that would make it even?

Is this how we are suppose to police ourselves?

 

As usual, when anyone disagrees with the right wing they are immediately branded as liberal. The writer was a member of the Reagan regime - nothing liberal about him.

"Justifiable force"? Then why did NYC taxpayers have to pay a billion for these police crimes just a few years ago while taxpayers throughout the country are paying huge amounts of money as well?

 

As usual a leftist who didn't know what he was talking about and tried to paint someone falsely. He is a SOCIAL liberal and this is a SOCIAL issue. Has nothing to do with his ECONOMIC conservatism. And yes Reagan had a diverse cabinet and staff, I thought that was supposed to be good.

Guilt by association. Fail.

Yes how many times can police use justifiable force in a 12 month period so it doesn't become unjustifiable according to your OP.

 

I don't know what went down, but given the wall to wall media ghoulfest, I can't imagine the cop getting a fair trail.

OTOH, I do know that too often, cops fire their mags dry when one bullet will do the trick.
I always thought the idea was to stop a perp, not execute him.

 

He was stopped and killing someone who is threatening you with imminent serious bodily harm or death is not a execution.

 

I would be interested to know how you know what actually went down.

 

Are you disputing he was stopped? And it would interesting to know how you know what actually went down since you claim it was an execution.

Let's hear it................

I have the contemporaneous statement of the witness on the scene which corroborates the statement of the officer. I have the reported 12 witness statements to police which corroborate both. I have the injuries to the police officer. I have the autopsy which supports the statements I have mentioned.

What do you have to support the claim it was an execution?

 

I do not claim this was an execution.
I claimed that the concept was to stop the perp NOT to kill him by unloading your mag in him/her, which to my mind is excessive use of force, which amounts to an extra judicial execution.

I await the evidence. Not the hundreds of reports (many conflicting) of varying degrees of accuracy that have been generated.

 

It was clearly your insinuation.

And one does not preclude the other.

So which is it you do claim it was an execution or not? And point me to the law that states how many bullets the officer is allowed to fire.

And guess what, when that assailant is charging you at full speed it is quite prudent to keep firing until he falls, if that mean empty the clip, so be it has no bearing on whether they shooting was justified, that is established with the first shot.

This silly argument that had he killed Brown with the first shot instead of the last then it would be justified is utter folly.

You're already proclaimed it amount to an extrajudicial execution.
I have cited evidence you ignore it. You are waiting for specific evidence to support your claim it was an execution.

 

You think that's the part he's questioning?




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Unfortunately not all cops seem to realize this.





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Are you giving him money because he killed a black guy, or for his legal defense? Because I hadn't heard he was even indicted, nor do I think a grand jury will return a true bill against him.

 

How about living expenses while in hiding from the black lynch mob and future living expenses while he relocates and has to find a new career since his has been ruined by the black community and the left?