Please stop getting your knickers in a twist. I support and independent Scotland! But lets be clear about what that actually means. Incidentally, I've yet to meet a Scot in real life who wants independence.
No, I didn't apply sports rules, I put the question of Scottish qualification. You seem to be muddled. Essentially, one must be born in Scotland in order to qualify for Scottish nationality. Like other countries, residence over a period could enable naturalization. The issue of nationality should play its part in determining who can vote in the independence referendum. What's required is a set of rules. You can't contribute to that yourself, obviously.
Oh give it a rest Moon. You started posting about freaking Palestine - talk about muddying a post on Scotland! The reality is that if Salmond wants a referendum for independence, and wants to keep some elements of the union, the definition of "independence" should be defined first and formost. It's not rocket science ffs!
No, I didn't post about Palestine at all. Your muddle is worsening. I said, and I quote; Scots themselves should ensure that every Scot gets to vote- no matter where they live now, for example, a Scot who has lived in Australia for many years without becoming a naturalized Australian. Such people value their roots. Whilst they're still available the English can do the paperwork.
It's perfectly clear from the pertinent post. Are you aggravated by any other proper nouns, or just that one .
This proposed referendum raises more questions than the SNP has so far come up with answers. I see your point abt allowing expat Scots a say . With respect , my understanding is that its Alex Salmon and the SNP who object to non-resident Scots voteing /have any say in the referendum. ...
The alleged 'union' is the power of the robber-class that rules us all. Because we, for instance, were a colony, though we had roughly the same resources as Belgium and were the first industrial country on earth, we are now one of the poorest countries in Europe, though we kept the Imperialist fleet going and much else, because the scumbags stole everything. If we finally decide we have had enough of being robbed, even if we have to eat grass, why should those (*)(*)(*)(*)s have any voice whatever?: they've stolen enough to stuff their stinking mouths with gold, so they can shut up!
Well, it would be cheating to deny non-resident Scots a vote- and there's enough of that goes on in Westminster already.
I honestly don't care about the history of the matter, only the here and now. Your post sounds like the Welsh version of Braveheart - too much emotion. The reality is that if the outcome of the decision means that English tax payers are subsidising an independent-ish Scotland or Wales, then English tax payers should also have a hand in the vote. Perhaps then, the options of the vote would clear.
The here and now is that we are being paid only a small proportion of what we are entitled to, having been robbed ragged for centuries. The English tax-payers subsidise my proletarian arse! The sods owe us about ten thousand each, at a guess.
Actually it would be cheating to allow non residents to vote. Were they to do it and get independence then someone would undoubtedly challenge the outcome in the High Courts and win. It's doubtful the result would be recognised by the EU as well. What with one of them talking like the SNP Reich will last 1000 years and another one thinking up ways of manipulating democracy it's starting to look like there isn't going to be much point in voting in the new Scotland.
Nope...the Scots who live here don't like the idea either....why let people who live in another country vote for what happens in ours, whatever their origins? And, frankly, I don't give a toss as to what ex-pat Scots think about it..nobody forced them to become ex-pat-Scots..certainly not us. Maybe you'd like to help moon out again......by answering the question I have asked twice on this thread, and he has so far ignored...as you both appear equally blind to the concept of democracy...which is one man one vote in the country in which they live, if they are legally entitled to vote there.
No, it would not be cheating to allow Scottish-born people to vote . Any court would uphold that right- and I hope that naysayers are challenged and get their just deserts. It is the logic of thieves to claim that one loses ownership of one's home because one is out.
No, I don't accept that claim- whether it's currently in operation or not. Every Scot should have a right to vote. Currently the status of Scots overseas would be ' British ' , that's true, but any such person whose credentials fit the proposed criteria for Scottish nationality should be allowed to vote as if that nationality was already bestowed. So, what are the proposed criteria for Scottish nationality ? This debate isn't going anywhere until such criteria are established. My proposal 1) Born in Scotland.
Propose all you want. And I repeat my question yet again.......If I were a Palestinian living in the West Bank or Gaza, I'd be immensely hacked off if those who had moved on to other countries and lives decided that the independence on offer wasn't good enough to suit their aspirations, voted against and subjected those Palestinians actually living under the Israeli yoke to more decades of the same.......wouldn't you?
Your point? A Senedd Commission has demonstrated that we are hugely underpaid by the Barnett formula that gives London and Scotland so much, but the tories - because we voted Labour like the mugs we are - can just ignore us and worry about Scotland. And you never heard about it, naturally. Why would you? The English regions get well financed.
The Barnett formula gives more per capita to people in Scotland, N. Ireland and Wales than to people in England.
But the people of 'Wales' (as you call it) would - if financed on the same basis as an English region - get very much more. If you want to understand this issue you have to get your head round internal colonialism.
That I will, thank you. Your analogy is awry. The Palestinian refugees have been forced from their country by invaders- around 5 million of them and rising. Naturally they should be consulted in any Palestinian referendum. Focusing closer, those Palestinians who have chosen to live outside of Palestine still have the same rights- as Palestinians- to vote in those same referendums. Why shouldn't they ? Because they had the opportunity to avoid Zionist bombs and oppression and took it ? Palestine is still their country.
