Intelligence Panel Releases Trump Report

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Hmm...a 300 page report written by Democrats who have been calling for President Trumps impeachment since he was inaugurated and still haven't gotten over their loss in 2016. Why would I read 300 pages of propaganda when I watched the testimonies myself? I think that I will trust what I heard with my own ears over this propaganda piece and come to my own conclusions thank you very much. Unlike some I don't need others to tell me what to think.
     
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    Well. I mean, since an anonymous poster from the website politicalforum.com with the username "Molonlabe2009," said that Trump didn't demand anything from anybody, I guess we closed the case.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    There's no difference between not showing up and showing up but pleading the fifth.

    Here's a list of Obama officials who showed up and sat there like a bump on a log and plead the fifth.
    • Loretta Lynch
    • Jeff Neely
    • John Beale
    • John Sepulveda
    • Diana Rubens
    • Kimberly Graves
    • Greg Roseman
    • Patrick Cunningham
    • Louis Lerner
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny too that, I believed it was Hamilton that also warned about what democrats are doing now. Trying to impeach a President based on partisan power.
     
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    No.
     
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    Did you read the 125 page Republican Pre-buttal?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet not one witness witnessed anything. Go figure.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So? What did Sondland say that Trump told him?
     
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    A tremendous difference, but if you truly believe that, you should go impeach Obama for obstruction of justice.
     
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    I was going to get in your argument over the word 'fact' since I posted that snip myself, but I knew you'd figure it out..

    I was interrupted from reading when Schiff gave his brilliant (and short) presser 20 mins ago...

    I'd vote for that guy for President someday... they call him Schiff for brains on here, but I find it's the other way around...

    I really want Devin "Cow" Nunes to catch on with America...
     
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    To talk to Rudy. Why was Rudy calling OMB?
     
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    "Talk to Giuliani"
     
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    So? Still no evidence of the clown show narrative.
     
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    If you want more personal testimony from those most likely to have heard orders directly from TRUMP, then join Democrats by demanding that TRUMP stop stonewalling.
     
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    Where is the fricking evidence that Trump demanded anything from anybody????

    THERE IS NO FRICKING EVIDENCE!!!!!!
     
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    Didn't even know that they had one. And don't really care. Like I said, I watched the testimonies myself and I will draw my own conclusions.
     
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    And, what else?
     
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    Looking through this quickly....
    Someone spent a lot of time regurgitating the long list of talking points the Democrats have been using since all of this started; it makes the Mueller report look like Tolstoy or Dickens.
     
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    So what is your conclusion? I get that you don't accept the sworn testimony from the multiple witnesses because they were making their own conclusions based on their own personal assumptions, so let me get you to espouse your own personal conclusion based on your own assumption.

    Did Trump do anything improper in regards to Ukraine? Did Trump do anything improper in regards to the investigation surrounding Ukraine?
     
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    So, I'm right.There is no evidence that Trump demanded something from Ukraine. Good to know.
     
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    Well... stay with it my friend... stay with it; you may find something in it you haven’t heard of before.

    Me? I don’t have to read it, I know what’s in it:

    Trump is bad.
    Americans are outraged.
    Impeach!

    :yawn:
     
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    I would think that references to Tales of Uncle Remus would be politically incorrect for liberals. What's next, a reference to a tar baby?
     
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    No difference.

    If you are going to plead the fifth and not answer questions, then why even show up? It's just like you weren't even there.
     
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    This blows a hole in the trumpers' claims that Ukraine didn't know about the hold, or the reasons behind it:

    https://intelligence.house.gov/report/

    Pages 81-82.


    Ukrainian Officials Learned About the Hold in July 2019


    Witnesses testified that officials in the Ukraine government knew of President Trump’s hold on security assistance before it was publicly reported in the press on August 28, 2019. Ms. Croft testified that after July 18—when the hold was announced by OMB at the interagency meeting—it was "inevitable that it was eventually going to come out."446

    Two individuals from the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, D.C., approached Ms. Croft approximately a week apart "quietly and in confidence to ask me about an OMB hold on Ukraine security assistance."447 Ms. Croft could not precisely recall the dates of these conversations, but testified that she was "very surprised at the effectiveness of my Ukrainian counterparts’ diplomatic tradecraft, as in to say they found out very early on or much earlier than I expected them to."448

    Ms. Croft explained that the Ukrainian officials came to her quietly because they would not want the hold to become public:

    I think that if this were public in Ukraine it would be seen as a reversal of our policy and would, just to say sort of candidly and colloquially, this would be a really big deal, it would be a really big deal in Ukraine, and an expression of declining U.S. support for Ukraine.449

    DOD also received questions from the Ukraine Embassy about the status of the military assistance. Ms. Cooper testified that those occurred on July 25, 2019—the same day as President Trump’s call with President Zelensky:

    On July 25th, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine Embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance, because at that time, we did not know what the guidance was on USAI [DOD-administered funds]. The OMB notice of apportionment arrived that day, but this staff member did not find out about it until later. I was informed that the staff member told the Ukrainian official that we were moving forward on USAI, but recommended that the Ukraine Embassy check in with State regarding the FMF [State Department-administered funds].450

    On July 25, Ms. Cooper’s staff received two emails from the State Department revealing that the Ukrainian Embassy was "asking about security assistance" and that "the Hill knows about the FMF situation to an extent, and so does the Ukrainian Embassy."451 82

    One of Ms. Cooper’s staff members reported that sometime during the week of August 6, a Ukrainian Embassy officer stated that "a Ukrainian official might raise concerns about security assistance in an upcoming meeting," but that the issue was "not, in fact, raised."452 Ms. Cooper’s staff further reported that Ukrainian officials were aware of the hold on security assistance in August.453

    Lt. Col. Vindman testified that, by mid-August, he too was getting questions from Ukrainians about the status of the hold on security assistance:

    So to the best of my knowledge, the Ukrainians, first of all, are in general pretty sophisticated, they have their network of, you know, Ukrainian interest groups and so forth. They have bipartisan support in Congress. And certainly there are—it was no secret, at least within government and official channels, that security assistance was on hold. And to the best of my recollection, I believe there were some of these light inquires in the mid-August timeframe.454

    While numerous individuals, including Ukrainians, were aware of the hold, it did not become publicly known until a Politico report on August 28, 2019.455
     
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