https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2020 Only one comment: look on the leaders of the US team and try to answer the question - do we need immigration?
Need immigration? No. Benefit from immigration? Of course. The immigration issues aren't about immigration. they are about illegal immigration. Congratulations to these two scoring so high.
No, I am advocating to think why in America people with foreign name are the best when it comes to math and advanced technology. When I went university to see graduations of my kids, I was shocked to see that the more advanced title is, the less US born citizens I saw. It is not only my impression: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/education/edlife/american-graduate-student-stem.html BTW – I am naturalized citizen, one of my kid has PhD, the other is a PhD student.
I do want to point out half of them are quacks. I don't know if we're really getting the best quality of doctors that way (overall). Don't even get me started on ethical issues and Medicare fraud. They come from cultures with a very different view on ethics.
This is only surprising if you work on flawed assumptions about immigration. The common perception of immigrants is that it's all about poor people fleeing poverty, getting in to other countries (often illegally) and working in low paid manual labour. The fact is that there is a whole separate set of migrants (possibly even larger, I'm not sure) who are educated and (relatively) wealthy who choose to move to other countries to find even better jobs and lives than is possible even in the upper echelons of their native societies. The kind of immigrants willing and able to put in the time and effort to move to an entirely different country are often going to be the kind of people who are wiling and able to put in the commitment and sacrifices to really excel and they will often pass (or push!) that on to their children and even further generations. Personally, I'm not sure this is specifically a good thing or a bad thing, just a thing, thought one that should be better recognised as part of reality of immigrant in the context of any general political discussion on the topic.
My post was not about immigration – my post was about Americans. Why in this most powerful nation immigrants are more prone to follow education than Americans? It has something to do with understanding what science is? With understanding that scientists knows more about diseases or climate than politicians?
That is what my post was explaining. The reason immigrants are disproportionately represented in this kind of thing is because immigrants are a sub-set of non-Americans, the sub-set with the drive and ability to make that difficult transition. Most of the lazy, incompetent and basically average non-Americans will still be in their native countries scraping by. You're comparing those people with all Americans, good, bad and indifferent so on average, the immigrants will have an advantage. On an unrelated note, there is also probably an element of confirmation bias too, where we'll take much more notice of (apparently) foreign names and so end up with an exaggerated perception of the real imbalance.
Those of us born here are natives, including those on reservations. Our ancestors were immigrants just as the ancestors of those on reservations.
They can't be, because America is so bigoted, and institutional racism is rife, and all brown people are oppressed!
I tried to tell someone here about this, and he refused to believe me. He actually thinks white Americans are still at the top of the tree. PS: At my kids' university, 90% of STEM students are not white.
Pakistani (and Indian to a lesser extent) doctors are some of the best in the world. Arabs, too. Those cultures seem to be very suited to the healing arts.
The difference is entirely in attitudes to education. American parents are much less likely to take education as seriously as Asian parents do, for example.
How is the Democratic Republic of the Congo supposed to raise its standard of living if its top 10% smartest citizens move to Western nations?
I agree, but the same issue exists right here. How is the USA supposed to keep it's standard of living if the white population rejects education? It's the same thing. If we decide to toss our brains on the junk heap that's no different than if those brains left the USA for somewhere else. China has about 4X our brains. We are absolutely NOT going to maintain our standard of living with the stupid decisions and anit-competitive moves of our uneducated brains while China chooses education.
It's not 'brains', it's determination. They're not soft and self-indulgent. They're tough, responsible, and practical, and recognise what matters - survival. No sh!ts wasted on vanities.
Who says the white population rejects education? They're applying at such a rate and with such high scores universities are rejecting them for more diverse applicants.
Maybe so, but whites are now almost exclusively in the Arts/Humanities faculties. IOW they're studying the wrong stuff if they want to compete with China. Heck, most will struggle to even find a job. The white retreat from STEM was a disastrous decision.
