Iran parliament increases missile funds to confront US

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  1. One Mind

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    Well we and other western powers helped to install this puppet fair and square. You saying we have no business or right to install rulers in nations we choose? Why not? What good is it if you have an empire and cannot put in the rulers of other nations? Does not the right to do that come with being an empire? Anyways, that was our oil under the ground there in Iraq. Not theirs. What arrogance on the part of Iran to think for one moment that was their oil, their natural resource! Arrogant bastards!

    Look, we would never have a problem with any of these nations, whether it be the middle east or south america. All they have to do is to give us what we demand, and do as we say. They must allow us to extract any resource that we want, that is, our businesses, and we will pay them for it. I think the deal with iran set up long ago was they get to keep 30 percent of the price of each barrel. I mean, we gave them such a great deal for god's sake. And in return they get to buy from us, under the shah, some military jets. You know, so they can send some of the dollars we gave them for oil, back to america to our defense contractors. Of course when they ran the puppet we helped to put into place, off, and elected an islamic leader, those millions they had paid us as a down payment on a jet but never recieved, well, we kept that for almost 40 years before obama gave the money back to them. And yet even though it was their money, and we owed it to them. obama took a big hit when the right accused him of giving iran money as they acted like we didn't owe it to them. Like obama just gave them free money. Of course, France never gave them the money back that they had paid for some planes, and never got. Yes in the west, we love to rip other nations off. It is our christian heritage. Or our predatory capitalist heritage.

    But do not get the wrong idea about me and Iran. I detest theocracies. They belong in ancient times, and not today. And I detest culture that is deeply embedded in religion, like even dictating what a woman can and cannot wear, or anything that controls women as you would do to an animal. And yet I see iran as no more of a danger to the US than mexico is. Which means there is no threat. And while I would never live in a theocracy it is their nation and they should live as the majority of people want to live. Not my business nor yours or any other non iranian's. Or live and let live. But no, the US will never do that. It is against our principles. But not against the principles of our Founders. So, our principles has changed, just as the republic they founded changed...to oligarchy. Not what I think about it, our principles are the principles of an oligarchy, of fascism. Oh, now it all falls into place and there is some method to the madness. We are acting just like an oligarchy empire should act.
     
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    911 is a direct result of it. And it doesn't look like the US will be free of terror any decade soon.

    Thing is. The US spend trillions on Iraq and Afghanistan... and what an fail.
    Iran is in an entire different league. They will blow up Israel 10x over if the US tries.

    You say that, while you applaud fascist American puppet rule where people get tortured by the 10.000's? lol
     
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  3. One Mind

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    Ah, you obviously have not followed my posts and assume I am something other than I am. I have never applauded this oligarchy, quite the contrary.

    I agree 9-11 was direct blow back, in this cause/effect universe. Which is probably why our very wise founders spoke out against foreign entanglements. But they were wise men, and understood that we live in a cause effect universe and are subject to that. Many of us today deny, at least unconsciously that we live in such a universe. At least when it comes to blow back created by our own actions over time.

    I hope it never gets to iran attacking israel. I would not want to see iran be a radioactive wasteland for so long. Or would I want to see iran destroyed by the US, with all that this would involve. We have seen more than enough US aggression in the middle east. It needs to end.

    I am not a fan of any theocracy, but believe in allowing iranians the right to have it. Us getting out of the middle east is the only sane route to take, and yet I cannot see that happening. We want, the neocon PNAC demands hegemony and empire. We want nothing more than in some way to rule the world. In some form or way. Our elites think they are entitled to that. And they want even our own sovereignty in their hands. This is the war being waged today, on the side.
     
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    Right. We went into Iraq for their oil. We were going to drain all their oil to satisfy our greed. But what really happened? We didn't get a drop.

    Go away with your broad and inaccurate crazy theories.
     
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    With the aggressions the US commits with each passing year, I won't be surprised if that terrorist could get his nukes here or there, like in NK, because for every action there is reaction.
     
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    Never underestimate the evil potential of the rogue states like NK and Iran.
     
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    Speaking of rogue states, you have much more to fear about Israel and Saudi Arabia than any of these states, IMO. NK and Iran, at least, didn't bought your politicians yet.
     
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    Israel is a stable, modern democracy. They frequently have to respond to 7th century Muslim terrorists, but they're no threat to the world.

    Likewise, the Saudi military isn't about to attack anyone. But they do push that Wahhabi crap and it must be monitored.
     
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    You are ill-informed. With this agreement Obama stopped Iran's program to develop nuclear weapons dead in its tracks. Every international and U.S. inspections group has confirmed this fact. Trump has been informed of this also. Trump broke the agreement and disrespected and nullified the word of the U.S. as one of several co-signees of that agreement. Trump trashed the word of our nation internationally and made us liars like him. Lastly, the money paid to Iran wasn't from us. It was already Iran's money frozen years before by former Presidents. Obama allowed Iran to access that money again in exchange for stopping their nuclear bomb program. That was a GOOD bargain. Obama deserves praise for a notable accomplishment--one that made the world a little bit safer for everyone.
     
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    Those are NOT part of the nuclear agreement with Iran that the U.S. signed. You can't abrogate an unconnected agreement because someone fails to live up to an entirely different agreement. Yet, that's what Trump is doing. Trump is making the U.S. look like just as big a flake and liar as Trump himself.
     
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    The IDF is just going to bomb anything Iran tries to build
     
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    Iran is not a threat to the USA.

    N.Korea is trying to become one.

    Big difference.

    Anyway Iran is an Israeli problem not USA's.
     
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    It's about as stable as the Third Reich was, a militaristic blight poised for expension in an uberman/unterman war based on old lies. IMO, no country that practices apartheid in the XXIst century can be called either "modern" or "democratic". It has also attacked you many times, and like I wrote, overtly bought your politicians that pledge their unconditional allegiance at AIPAC meetings before being elected. You have been Israel's cuck for so long that you now wear it as a badge of honor.

    Why would they attack you? They already control your politicians.
     
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    Israel militaristic? You bet. They have no choice since they're surrounded by people stuck in the 7th century who are taught in their schools that Jews are nothing but "pigs and dogs". Those same barbarians are committed to the destruction of Israel. Shouldn't Israel be ready to defend itself?

    Of course the Saudis are no threat to the U.S. They're also no threat to their neighbors.
     
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    You're wrong again & clearly know nothing about Iran
    Maybe the truth about Iran from those who have been there will undo the damage done by decades of anti Iranian propaganda:

    "Those Friendly Iranians"
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/opinion/those-friendly-iranians.html?mcubz=3


    EXCERPT "Finally, I've found a pro-American country.

    Everywhere I've gone in Iran, with one exception, people have been exceptionally friendly and fulsome in their praise for the United States, and often for President Bush as well.

    Then I stopped to chat with one of the Revolutionary Guards now based in the complex. He was a young man who quickly confessed that his favorite movie is ''Titanic.'' ''If I could manage it, I'd go to America tomorrow,'' he said wistfully.

    He paused and added, ''To hell with the mullahs.''CONTINUED


    Meanwhile, Israel threatens Iran at least as frequently as the other way around:

    "Emboldened by Trump, Israel renews threats against Iran"
    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/10/28/540146/Israel-Yisrael-Katz-Iran-attack-US-Michael-Hayden

    EXCERPT "“If international efforts led these days by US President Trump don’t help stop Iran attaining nuclear capabilities, Israel will act militarily by itself,” he said in the Japanese capital of Tokyo, where he was to lobby Japanese officials against Iran."CONTINUED
     
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    They didn't? How about we make a bet, I prove you are wrong, and if so, you leave the forum and never come back?
     
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    Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc would disagree.

    The SIX arab nations iran has invaded: iraq, yemen, syria, lebanon, gaza, and bahrain would also diagree with you.

    "architected and inspired by CIA" and carried out by WHOM? IRANIANS did it, so if they believed it was wrong, they wouldn't have. Blaming the US for every situation is juvenile at best.

    Which has no relevancy to my point.
     
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    No need to ever read this poster's garbage again. Other more patient posters willing to waste their time on such individuals trolling the forum can expend their energy. IGNORED.
     
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    That's because the Ukrainians invaded Palestine after WWII as if it was an enemy, whereas the Arabs were practically disarmed. Since then, Israel counts on military strength and nothing else to assert her power, invading and aggressing every one of their neighbours, like a bad graft that rejects the whole host, since their creation.

    Pardon me - civilised people reject apartheid. These Jews were quite more comfortable in ME than they did in the Occident before WWII. Barbarians are the ones who favour apharteid.

    PS: The lovely little girl in your avatar was probably killed by Jews.
     
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    Except at all those sites iran has decided to call "military" so that no one can inspect them.

    When iran tests its first nuclear weapon, will all those who lied like you own up to that fact after defending them, and commit suicide in public? It might be the only honorable thing in your life you've ever done.

    Another lie; the deal was never ratified by congress to begin with, and Trump had the right to ask them to do so.

    There were multiple judgements against iran for its terrorism for billions more than what had been frozen; obama that POS turd had no right to give them a dime back until those settlements were made.

    Like I said above, when iran tests its first nuke will you come out publicly about how you lied and commit suicide for doing so? One would doubt people like you who WILL be exposed as likely russian/iranian agents would have the courage and character to do so.
     
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    The spirit of the agreement required a reduction of hostilities and an understanding iran would abide by international law.

    Second, iran is bound by international law to cease shipping arms/conducting missile tests, both are facts which the world has every right to ensure iran complies with.
     
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    Really? What nuke facility in iran did Israel ever bomb? There at least 20 known ones, good luck.
     
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    If the Muslims were to stop attacking Israel, they'd be treated better. Launching rockets into Israel and digging terrorist tunnels into Israel is no way to build a positive relationship.
     
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    When the last political crisis happened (I think it was in 2011) Obama sided with the mullahs and against the protestors. Obama wouldn't have supported the mullahs if it wasn't what the people of Iran wanted.
     
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    This is about Iran. My comment is about Iran. And yes, the US was the force behind the ousting of the elected Iranian leader for the sake to install a terrorist in charge for cheap oil deals. And the US has never stopped being hostile against Iran ever since they removed the American supported terrorist. Those are the historic facts.
     
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