Iraqi TV: Iran’s Gen. Soleimani killed in Baghdad strike

Militarily speaking, perhaps, but you’re going to need more than rockets when it comes to resisting political, cultural and economic Anglo-Saxon/Jewish influence.

 

You are right when it comes to resisting what an Iranian writer in the 1950s coined "Westoxication" in a book he wrote by that name, which -- despite its influence and the fact that it became one of the primary influences over intellectual views of both secular and religious Iranians -- is still alive and kicking! Westoxication will continue until Iran has achieved not just political and military independence (in its true sense), but also developed a culture and economy that is equal to its rivals. Until then, people usually tend towards choosing to be identified, culturally, with the "superior culture". And the past couple of centuries, that has been Western culture.

The "Jewish" issue you mention is different. First, it really isn't so much about "Jews" but Zionists and about Israel. They are a very influential group politically in the West and the politics in the West has become hopelessly entangled with the Zionist project and its extensions and new chapters. This has led, however, to politics in places like the US to ultimately become corrupted badly. And that corruption sows the seeds of America's own demise internally.

 

Sure, and there are reasons for that, whether it be the brain drain in Iran; or Iran’s desire to arm and finance Shiite proxies, which has alienated it a lot from the Sunni world. After the death of its general, Iran really needs to step back and realize that it’s been pushing above its weight recently.

I’m aware of the nuances, but I’d prefer to just see it as it is, which is Jews colluding with Christians to extinguish the Light of Islam. Israel and Zionism are just words used to muddy the water.

 

And you think that a good thing? Those places are better off because of Iran's attempts to increase their influence?

 

I understand you support the largest sponsor of state terrorism and their terrorist acts I get it.

 

I umderstand you support targest sponsor of state terrorism amd their acts.

But now hard facts. Im German, we dont like ************ and empty phrases like americans do. We like facts.

Tell me how much terror attacks were supported by Iran in 2018 and how many were supported by Saudi Arabia. I want explicit numbers. How high was the funding coming from Iran, how high was the funding from Saudi Arabia. If you dont find the numbers from Saudi Arabia, i want the ones from Iran allone. "Greatest" means something meassured in numbers.

How is this pole position by Iran calculated, what exact numbers is it based on? Facts bro. Not bullshit.

 

Now, that's a curious accusation. Would you care to elaborate?

 

I would agree that in general, Iran has had a string of successes in just those countries you mention, however they did seem to badly bungle this crisis. resulting in hundreds of Iranians dead.

 

1.The founders of America were exclusively White Protestant Christians. The general thought pattern of this ethnic/sectarian group combined economic capitalism, evangelical spirit, and Western enlightenment thought.

2. Post WWII, the US saw the influx of tens of thousands Jews fleeing Europe. Jewish intelligence and financial talent saw the American Jewish population rise in the spheres of finance, academia, politics, and media.

3. Since America was the only one left one standing after WWII, it became the defacto world power. Jewish influence in the US resulted in a socioeconomic culture that was alien to that of its founders. Indeed, a culture signified by rampant usury, sexual freedom, the lampooning of religious figures, etc....

4. This new cultural slant, combined with the military prowess of the US, has ensured that this modern American “culture” spreads throughout the earth. Yes, its footprint is seen all over the world, from McDonalds, to third-wave feminism, to Jackie Chan.

5. The only real obstacle to this culture- which destroys everything that which is sacred- is Islam. America easily put down and made deals with the pagans of the Far East, but there’s always been friction with Islam. This is because it’s the only idea or concept that is capable of opposing a culture that attempts to kill the spirit of man, and hide the Truth.

 

Thanks for the taking the time.

I hate to say it, but if you replace "Islam" with "Christianity" this theory reads much like the one promoted here in America by the Ku Klux Klan. In previous centuries, some White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (including the Klan) used to spread similar 'theories' about the corrupting influence of the religious group that I was born and raised in (Roman Catholic). Your 'theory' contains some major factual and historical errors that need correcting, too.

 

What difference does it make?

 

The tragedies you allude to take the luster away from what was actually, and otherwise, a brilliant and rather effective political, as well as military, response to America's assassination of General Soleimani. But some costly "own goals" (in a football or soccer analogy) were indeed scored by Iran against itself. The real culprit for the own goal represented by the tragedy of the shoot down of the Iranian airliner needs to be identified. That culprit to me isn't the air defense operator who shot down the plane, but the focus should be on the airport authorities who didn't cancel the flights and who (it appears) were derelict in properly informing the military of the latest information about flights taking off and landing from Iranian airports (none should have been).

As for the general battle between Iran and the US, which these events are a part of, this is what I wrote elsewhere and which I will re-post here as well:

 

I guess I'm not seeing the "brilliant and rather effective political, as well as military, response" in all this. To me, it looks like a debacle of a response, zero Americans dead but hundreds of Iranians and others are dead. However admittedly I'm not the intended audience; primarily the Iranian public, Iranian proxy forces, various Iranian backed terrorist groups, and anti American westerners are the intended audience, so if to them it looks like a stunning and brave success, then that's how it will be viewed in Tehran.

As for the "blame" for the airplane shoot down, I've read or heard nothing that indicates that the civil aviation authorities had any responsibility, although the investigation should follow any legitimate angle. But my prediction on that is that civil aviation, which does their job every day, and has a public flight schedule, are unlikely to be responsible for this compared to air defense forces which don't do their job every day (or at all), and should already have access to any local airport's scheduling. If they didn't, the onus seems to be on them for what is clearly a major lack of information.

 

Air defense forces have no jurisdiction over Iran's civilian air schedule or airport. Jurisdiction over the airport lies with the airport authority, the transportation ministry and ultimately the government of president Rouhani. Unless the Supreme National Security Council, chaired by the President but with representatives from all branches and the military, with its directives (when signed by Iran's Supreme Leader) considered binding, issues a directive, the issue is handled by the government and not the military. In fact, this very airport and its operations where the subject of a huge dispute between the revolutionary guards and the then reformist government of president Khatami a couple of decades ago when this airport was being inaugurated and the airport wasn't complying with certain security directives which were even issued by Iran's Supreme National Security Council. The issue got the point that the revolutionary guards actually had to take over the airport temporarily!

 

The issue isn't whether Air Defense forces had any jurisdiction over Iran's civil aviation authorities, it's whether they had any way to know the airport flight schedule. The answer to that is yes. If I can get it, Air Defense should be able to get it too.

Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport IKA

 

That was not an ordinary night. Flights had been cancelled for 4 hours, then they began being allowed to resume. This flight was already delayed before it took off. All that aside, the US was employing electronic countermeasures (jamming) and internet and phone communications weren't working properly at the air defense unit. The air defense operator had to make a decision within seconds and, regrettably, chose wrongly.

 

p.s.
Okay, I need to take back some of what I said:

General Hajizadeh, commander of Iran's aerospace forces, right now basically absolved the government of president Rouhani, the airport authority, and the civil aviation authorities, of any blame. While he didn't make the issue clear enough and said it will be revealed after the investigation is completed, he said all the fault for this incident lies with the Iranian military and not the government. Implied certain commanders with responsibility to coordinate cancellation of all flights had been derelict in their duties.

 

On what level?

On a personal level it might not make any difference to you, but it makes a difference to people who are interested in accurate accounts of historical, cultural and technological processes instead of corruption narratives based on Muslim and WASP supremacism and xenophobia.

 

There is no personal level when it comes to Reality. Truth is as it is, and it remains as it always has been; regardless if whitey thinks he’s superior, or whether General Suleimani is blown up or not.

White supremacists or Islamist terrorists or whatever... they have a problem with how the world is heading. Not me. I submit to Reality.

 

I've heard nothing about the US deploying electronic countermeasures in Tehran on the night in question. If you have a legitimate source (not Iranian media) I'm all ears, but this sounds more and more like covering up the debacle that I've already described it as being.

 

Was Iran just too brazen:

 

Peace talks? Peace talks that just happened to coincide with Iranian-backed attacks on a US embassy in Iraq?

I love tinfoil hatters, they crack me up.

Nice peaceful peace talks that involved embassy attacks.

Hey, it worked. Look how peaceful Soleimani is now.

Peace talks. Hilarious.

 

Here's the link for post #771:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/m...oundaries-trump-administration-and-got-burned

 

Nobody attacked an embassy.

 

Huh?

Was it all holograms and thermite paint then?