Is black criminality genetically determined?

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  1. Thanos36

    Thanos36 Member

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    I find it very funny that many white nationalist who love to go on and on about genetics love to talk about black criminality. So is there an assumption that genes tells us a story about black people's propensity for violence? And is this linked to low IQ. I think if one really sits back and do the math, we will find that a very significant minority of black people in the USA actually commits crimes.
     
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    It's more complicated than just IQ. According to Richard Lynn of Ulster University:

    "Nevertheless, as Charles Murray and the late Richard Herrnstein showed in their book The Bell Curve, low IQ cannot entirely explain a black crime rate that is six-and-a-half times the white rate. When blacks and whites are matched for IQ, blacks still commit crimes at two-and-a-half times the white rate. This shows that blacks must have some other characteristic, besides low intelligence, that explains their high levels of criminality....

    "I propose that the variable that explains these differences is that blacks are more psychopathic than whites. Just as racial groups differ in average IQ, they can also differ in average levels of other psychological traits, and racial differences in the tendency towards psychopathic personality would explain virtually all the differences in black and white behavior left unexplained by differences in IQ."

    Are low IQ people more likely to be psychopaths than high IQ people?
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Yet they offer no explanation for this 'psychopathy'. Noticing that the sky is blue, doesn't tell us anything about the sky.

    The actual variable (explaining these differences) is culture. And I don't mean ethnic culture necessarily, it can just as easily be village, or even family culture.

    Example: In my country, whites commit most of the crime, and our lowest socio-economic orders are almost exclusively white. Our most violent are neither black nor white, but are in fact brown and light brown.

    Finally, it's important to remember that correlation is not causation. Low IQ and crime coexist, they don't cause each other. They coexist due to culture. In other words, the same sort of environment which limits IQ, also enables criminal behaviour.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Any factor could be contributing to this. I'd stiffest a mountain before suggesting genetics
     
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    Its culturally dominant. Genetics have nothing to do with it.
     
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    If you feel "The Man" is oppressing you and keeping you down, and owes you, then it may seem right to take back what you feel is owed you in some way.

    Restitution for slavery etc...
     
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    Jimmy79 Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about?
     
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    reallybigjohnson Well-Known Member

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    No, because blacks that are from outside the US such as real Africans and from the Caribbean perform just as well as every other immigrant demographic. Its not the skin color its the constant bitching and whining and blaming others for your own failure that is keeping US blacks down as a group. Every other ethnic group has figured it out and we are all waiting for the light bulb to go off over the head of the collective African American community when they realize that no one gives a **** about their whining and that they should grow up and start taking responsibility.
     
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    Good thing you rinsed that broad brush before you used it.
     
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    reallybigjohnson Well-Known Member

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    When blacks stop voting 90% for the same party every year then come back and tell me that its a broad brush. The claim that they have no power is ludicrous. They want the Dems in charge and in EVERY SINGLE heavily minority area the Dems have been in charge for 60 years virtually uncontested. If the Democrats haven't delivered as promised then all of the blame goes on the black community which votes 90% Democrat and has so for decades now. THey only have themselves to blame for their failing schools and abysmal employment numbers.

    News flash the typicial white person doesn't wake up every morning imagining how wonderful it would be to crush the hopes and dreams of a black person. We don't give a ****. The only time white people might actually think about it is if they happen to need to go downtown for something and then its usually "Well kids we are going through that part of town, lock your doors".
     
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    Matt84,

    Why are you a multiculturalist?
     
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    You're just making a non-sequitur rant now, but thanks.
     
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    Because good lad, it angers the rightwing. Lol
    I'd be for goats, chickens, turtles and dogs living together in a barn if I knew it ran the rightwing up the wall.

    I just love when a black man and a white woman get married and get the pleasure of watching the rightwing's collective mind explode!!! Boom!
     
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    Of course not. The Japanese could be said to be extremely violent, given their history, yet have incredibly low rates of criminality.
     
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    you think that makes their heads explode? wow, it must still be 1950 at your place.

    meantime, my own black/white marriage presents me with plenty of opportunities to see Prog heads explode. they can't stand it when someone outdoes them in diversity. it messes with the received dogma that those opposed to open borders are nazis. also, the smart ones (not themselves in mixed marriages, yet busy telling brown folk how to feel and how to live) will slowly (it takes a while, they're pretty dumb) begin to suspect that they themselves are actually the white supremacists.
     
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    Nah, it's 1950 in GOP land.
     
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    maybe those few are decedents of a slave owners genes
     
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    Prog reliance upon antique ideas about 'the other' is essential to purpose, we understand that. But it's always funny when you guys actually say it out loud. Just as though it's still 1990, bless ya :)
     
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    You claimed I made a broad brushed statement. I proved that in fact it applies. If your demographic votes almost unanimously for one party and that party has been in control of your local government uncontested for 50+ years and you are STILL blaming other people for your failures then you are in fact deserving of that painting. There aren't exactly a lot of black Republicans out there, at least the other demographics are smart enough to either split their vote more or even better yet actually move their kids out of these slumlord neighborhoods. Black people empirically are the absolute worst parents around going by absentee fathers, out of wedlock births, multiple births from different fathers, drug use, child neglect and abuse. In all those categories black people are the worst of all other demographics.
     
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    No, actually the math has been done a hundred times. Blacks are far more likely to commit crime any way you slice it. The only thing that's been up for debate is what causes it.

    Statistics show a general correlation between low IQ and higher crime. Blacks tend to have lower IQ. They tend to have higher crime. This matches up.

    What doesn't match up is that other races with an IQ level near blacks in the United States, do not commit crime at the same rates, ie) Mexican immigrants and their first generation offspring.

    This means that while IQ can be a contributing factor, it doesn't tell the entire story, which is why people are searching for other answers. You can call anyone looking for the answer a white nationalist all you want, but, I like to think of the people who are attempting to figure this out patriots, since they're searching for a way to make this country safer.
     
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