Is Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

Treason isn't legal.

 

It is also known that:

1) The southern states did not invent slavery

2) The Union was bound by the Constitution of the United States, specifically the Tenth Amendment

3) The Declaration of Independence provided that people have a right to rebel against a tyrannical government

4) The federal government had no authority to impose its will on the states. They indirectly admitted as much with the passage of the 13th Amendment.

You can filibuster all you like and we can litigate this repeatedly. You cannot avoid the truth.

 

If slavery were treason, every Democrat would be on death row.

 

Who ever claimed slavery was treason? No ONE.

 

In fact while there were very vocal abolitionists in the north the political will wasn't there to end slavery. The south broke away when they looked at the map and realized that there were not many places where slavery could expand. Without expansion the slave states would lose political parity. So out they went.

 

we're not the ones bending over for Herr Trump.

 

So says a man who is living comfortably in the 21st-century -- LONG after slavery ended in England (in 1833), in France (in 1848 ), and the United States after the Civil War ended in 1865.

Prior to that, however, slavery had been practiced for THOUSANDS of years in Sub-Saharan Africa among warring NEGRO TRIBES. The NEGRO slave traders in Africa were the ones that sold their own NEGRO slaves to Europeans, Americans, Arabs, and many others.

Slavery was LEGAL in the United States at the time we became a nation, nothing in the Constitution forbade it, and the federal government under Lincoln was totally WRONG in overturning the 10th Amendment of our Constitution to devastate the Southern economy by threatening a way of life that had been in existence on this continent since the early 1600's!

Really... did any of you radical Democrats ever READ the 10th Amendment to the Constitution? Here it is, for the hundredth time!



You on the Left are incredibly blind if you don't understand that, and your lack of education regarding the actual history of that period in time is appalling! So, pile hatred and contempt on Confederate flags if that makes you feel good TODAY. But back then, the Confederates were simply people who wanted to be free, independent, and permanently separated from a smothering, overbearing, unconstitutional central federal government!

 

The idea is that none of that matters because slavery is offensive.
So let’s support the US political party that most favored it and then set up Jim Crow laws and then fought like crazy against civil rights legislation. The Dems never even officially apologized!!
Accepting the US Dems is positively Orwellian in the doublespeak sense and the newspeak word would be doubleplusungood.

 

There was none, legally and historically they are not traitors some even buried under a Confederate statue in Arlington



Traitors aren't buried in Arlington.

And I place the opinion of the American General who won the war and later became President over yours

"The Appomattox terms of surrender offered and signed by Grant included the clause “…each officer and man will be allowed to return to his home, not to be disturbed by United States Authority so long as they observe their paroles and the laws in force where they may reside.” Grant had wanted peace and included this line to ensure there would be no future reprisals against the Confederates.

And it was he as President who stopped and such charges and trials for treason. So show me where they were tried for treason and convicited.


why did you dodge my question about Biden.

 

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5) Slavery was legal in the United States before, during and after the war ended.

 

Explain your earlier post then.

 

My point is, they a legal right to exit. Without an amendment to the Constitution, the Union had no authority to impose its will on the states.

 

Trump comes to me for his talking points. I don't parrot his.

 

You are right. In my defense, I did imply it by reminding the critics that AFTER the War of Northern Aggression, the 13th Amendment was passed. If the North's actions had been legal, they would not have needed an amendment to abolish slavery. So, after they had beaten the south, illegally confiscated over 400,000 acres of land for supposed "reparations" for a perceived wrong (as opposed to an actual crime), the Union wanted to claim some kind of moral high ground. The North broke the law; they violated the Constitution. THAT is the bigger issue.

 

There's many of them, which one?

 

I'll bet he's referring to your Post #481 above, where you made the rather baffling statement, "Who ever claimed slavery was treason? No ONE."

That surprises me, too, Dairy, because you condemn the Confederates for the crime of TREASON, and at the same time find treasonous what you claim was their raison d'être for leaving the Union in the first place -- i.e., "slavery"! At best, you seem to be strangely unbalanced in your application of logic there....

 

Slavery is the winner’s version of why the South left the Union and it has stuck. Delaware and Kentucky continued the practice all through and after the civil war with not a word of protest from Lincoln.
It also excused the atrocities of Sherman who these days would be prosecuted as a war criminal.

 

Slavery was an issue.
The response to slavery being the issue is the treason. Secession and starting a war against the USA. It doesn't seem all that complicated.

 

It is, because that's all that's ever been taught.
Secession documents state Slavery as an issue. In the top 5 for all states.
Lincoln ran on a platform of abolishing slavery. The south states began their secession process shortly after the election of Lincoln. Showing Slavery as a big concern.
Then they started the war against the USA.

 

Now, I'm more confused than when you made your first treason reference.

 

What you are saying is an outrageous lie. Slavery was being practiced in many other places than the United States and had been. It is still practiced. We just throw some lipstick on a pig and relabel it. It is not offensive to anyone when it's in the right packaging.

 

There's really no confusion.
The definition of treason is clear.

treason
[ tree-zuhn ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR treason ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/treason

Going to war against one's own gov't fits the definition.

 

Then one should confront it where slavery exists now because it has not been practiced in the US for 155 years. In Europe for even longer.

 

The US civil war was 19th century PC that extends to this day. Complete with the hypocrisy that certain groups are excluded from judgment. Then it was Delaware and Kentucky and now it is Antifa and BLM!

 

The South attempted to leave the Union as was their RIGHT. We fought a war to establish that as a Right of the People. What is it that you don't understand about that? The North tried to prevent the South from doing what they had a legal RIGHT to do. Where did you go off course and not understand that? Here, let me use an analogy between to human beings so that you get some perspective:

A man and a woman get married. The man finds something he doesn't like about the woman. He says, "I don't like your family and friends." She says, "Fine, I want a divorce." She serves him with a separation agreement to sign. He goes off the deep end and beats the Hell out of her. HOW do you justify his actions? Or do you? If you can't, then maybe you can understand the legal fact that the South had every legal Right to leave the Union. How can a state commit treason by invoking a RIGHT this country went to war to establish?