Is France being lost to Muslims? Is all of Western Europe following?

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  1. Slyhunter

    Slyhunter New Member Past Donor

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    By the time the masses understand that Muslims are the enemies of civilized society it may be too late to stop them.
     
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    It is not about having more babies it is about the strict and repressive close door policy of Islam or Muslims against allowing Christian missionaries to proselytise Muslims and the serious consequences for Muslims to leave Islam or being not Muslim compare to the liberal and free policy of Christian community in accepting Islam into its community.and the freedom of Christians to chose their own faith.

    Many former Christian nations are now secular compare to Muslim nations that continue to live just the way they have been since 680 AD.

    Remember the Middle East use to be the capital of Christendom, Arabs are one of the original followers of Christ that can happen again it is just a matter of time. :pray:

    If Christians will do what the early Christians did which is to reach out and not be afraid to die for Christ peacefully Muslim by the thousands will leave Islam the problem is it will create a massive international political crises were hundreds of Christians and former Muslims being executed by Muslim government.

    We have already seen this happen in Iran and our failure to in Libya and now it is happening in Syria. Hamas control Palestine, Hezbollah control Lebanon the killings of anyone who dare to protest against Islamic leadership.
     
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    He can't, because he's obviously brain dead. Somewhere along the way, George Soros had his goons lobotomize him, and he was already mentally impaired and deficient. Idiots like this throw our pure BS and straw men and hope that some of their crap will stick.. Any more disturbed, and he could qualify as an imam in some hate-ridden mosque, and help hurl rocks at condemned women who are accused of some adulterous affair, falsely accused or otherwise.....it doesn't matter. The whole stupid religion of Islam is riddled with miscreants like him.
     
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    But it is about having babies. All of Europe represents a shrinking, aging population. At around the year 2100 (2050 in France) the Muslims will constitute a majority in all the western European nations. In the nearly 60 nations where Muslims are the majority, Christians are persecuted and murdered. Democratic forms of gov't. disappear; freedoms go down the drain. Turkey may be the one exception, and its democracy is faltering due to Islamists. The Arab Spring has been a disaster. Where the "dictators" were overthrown, the Muslim Brotherhood has taken over. But these "dictators," for the most part, protected the Christians, who are now running for their lives. Even Hussein of Iraq somewhat protected them......now the Christians are bolting. In a number of those countries, it is against the law to convert from Islam, with the penalty being death. While you have mosques down the street from the Vatican, in the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia, you cannot find a synogogue or church in the entire country, much less in Medina or Mecca.

    The early Christians tried to stop the Arab takeover. Witness the crusades, which resulted due to Islam taking over a third of what was Christendom (Egypt, northern Africa, etc.). Pope Urban attempted to stop the advance. It was brutal, and not terribly successful. The Muslims continued their advance 'til they finally met defeat inFrance at the battle at Tours. You have to understand,:When they take over, they largely force people to convert at the point of a sword. Most people aren't willing to die.......more so now than during the time of the Crusades. It's been a warring religion from the very start. Hoping for tolerance from them is an act of futility, as 1400 years of their brutality has demonstrated, and manifestly so.
     
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    If you think that asking women to please not wear the burqas in public is "cracking down," then we have to start redefining terms. There are some Islamic hot spots in France where the cops fear to tred. By the year 2050, you can say "au revoir" to France because there will be more Muslims living there than French people. Sending the Muslims NOW back to Algeria, by force or whatever means necessary, is the only thing that will save France. All of Europe is right behind.]
     
  6. LU6FER

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    Before that the Jews (french citizen whose country is Israel ) took all the power over the french politic , the Arabian citizen never were source of significant problems . The medias ( all jewish since that the latest one - Liberation - was grasped by Rothschild Bank Holding in Jan 2006) launched lots of racist campaigns against the french of arabian origin . And at hearing the media talk shows, we could believe they are a threat to civilian peace, but the facts always deny it . Even when they are false-flaged by the journalists .( the affair of cimetery of Carpentras /2004 , & number of others ).
    In the deep of french people ,the French of arabian origin were and are always friendly welcomed . Most of people who made superior studies, aren't fooled by this heavy propaganda , and they know what our civilisation owes to islamic culture .

    All the recent foreign policy of France represents only the jewish purposes : The murder of Libya , the present terrorist war led & managed by the "french" state against the legal governement of Syria ,the murder attempt against Pdt Chavez by Pdt Sarkozy ( sept 2009 )...all this stuff has nothing to do with french people's will .

    France is no longer an independant democracy , but - as any other state in Europe - she lives under a kind of masked & foreign dictatorship , whose chief could be the jewish bank in the city of London, and whose clutch would be our muppet governement .

    That is only an overall summary, but it is dramatically consistent with all facts of today's news .

    For those who suffer from racialist suspicion , I have no link at all with anything arab or islamic , I hate all single god religion,but I respect peoples & their own idea of life, I am from french Bretagne (je suis " Breton" ) and my family comes from a long line of sailors fishermen .
    For those who think " racialist " ( except for the nazis , racism seems to be now welcomed as a virtue ) , my roots are fully celtic.

    And foor those who know France only by Times Magazine , for the French , the feeling to their country doesn't need waving a sheet of fabric, but is an idea of every man's dignity which has been the same as in former USA. <<Liberté, égalité, Fraternité >>. We have suffered enough inland's wars to forget this US-like agressive nationalism .
     
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    Please , take the necessary time to reply:
    Do you personally know - at least one - of these kind of British citizen ? ("...Any muslim who calls for Sharia law..")

    Same thing about the "....suburbs riots & police car burned by bands of moslims.." ... did you experienced - at least once - being witness or meeting a trustworthy friend who was witness of one event like the one on which you are basing your opinion ?


    Do you think it's possible to admit - in today's times - that some public facts can be completly handmade by specialists and accomplices medias ? Or do you refuse this idea as being something wacky that can't exist ?

    According to your answer , may be I will try telling you what ,some friends & I, experienced about the topic of " the truth and the medias " . If you read french , I will give you the mean to check .
     
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    It's liberal minded nonsense like this which leads to nowhere but destruction. Bender isn't able to notice the elephant sitting next to him in his living room. Bidding "good night," Bender crawls under his rock, safely away from the ravages going on over his head.
     
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    Bender Diego Rodriguez "...is not able to notice the elephant..."
    Bender can't but I presume that you are able . ? So tell us what did you notice about your elephant .
    Mine wears a kippa and is suffering from deep autism as soon it's not a question of money to grasp .
    But each one has got the right to own living rooms to shelter his own elephants .
     
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    It's only being lost in much the same way Europeans thought it was being lost to Jews in the 1930's. Similar sorts of things, when the chips are down racism flourishes. People are stupid.

    Ask yourself why the chips are down, and think about the IMF and blinkered economic policy. Think of disaster capitalism and cowboy bankers. They're laughing their asses off while we sit around blaming the Muslims.
     
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    I appreciate the lucidity of your description. But to understand and fight what destructs us - the peoples - we must learn to be more and more lucid , because the scam industry in politics has grown adult . It is now an operationnal weapon that allow to conquer a nation without firing a single shell . That's why bankers are managing the medias .They are able to built entirely flase events , and to give them credit with their newspapers.

    Sorry, it's in french , but Louis Even was an economy canadian professor , and he made this fable explaining the bank mechanical scam.
    (http://www.michaeljournal.org/ilenauf.htm )

    When I approach a newspaper issue , before reading , I check the topic with the today's events : if there is no evident consistency with some event, then I look at writer's name . And 9 out of ten times , it no use reading it = you know what's in it .
    When the journalist starts bashing the manners for the rape of a young girl ...in Tehran's suburbs... , I know the actual topic is not an indignation against the crime !
     
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    Last time muslims posed a threat to the French THIS is what happen .
    If they do not worry why you do ?
     
  13. LU6FER

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    I appreciate the lucidity of your description. But to understand and fight what destructs us - the peoples - we must learn to be more and more lucid , because the scam industry in politics has grown adult . It is now an operationnal weapon that allow to conquer a nation without firing a single shell . That's why bankers are managing the medias .They are able to built entirely flase events , and to give them credit with their newspapers.
    When I approach a newspaper issue , before reading , I check the topic with the today's events : if there is no evident consistency with some event, then I look at writer's name . And 9 out of ten times , it no use reading it = you know what's in it .
    When the journalist starts bashing the manners for the rape of a young girl ...in Tehran's suburbs... , I know the actual topic is not an indignation against the crime !
    Sorry, it's in french , but Louis Even was an economy canadian professor , and he made this fable explaining the genuin bank mechanical scam.
    (http://www.michaeljournal.org/ilenauf.htm )
    (sorry again , it's in english too :the tittle is : " the money mythe exploded " )
     
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    Steinbeck was a great man, and he knew a lot about the terrible poverty , amidst the richest country in which people could watch a family starving to death, without any idea of helping . That has to see with protestant issue : any one has what he deserves ..
    When you discover that the 1929 crisis was entirely hand made by the Rotshcild bank, you tutch the truth of horror .
    It was a revenge . The Old Meyer Amshel was furious because his 1819 bank charter was refused due to his actions against the security of state . (*) When he died ,he asked to his 4 sons swearing to revenge them from the People of USA ("this bunch of slobs " as he called them ) and the Tsar family !
    The 1929 crisis was scheduled and managed thoroughly by the third generation of Rothschild's rodents .
    (in the1st pages of " Grapes of Wrath" , the unnamed actors are " the bankers " that kick out the farmers from their land)
    (*) The Tsar Nicholas at the same times , had detected the same attempt from the jewish . Rothschild had launched an operation to grasp not less than the bank of Russia .( same as in USA : the fed reserve which now, belongs truely to Rothschild ).
    In the first years of 1800, the Tsar's police had found the plot and banned from Russia the whole bank's staff , and the Tsar had warned the Pdt or the USA . In the same swearing , AMR told them they'll have to physically exterminate the whole family of the Tsar ... which was done by communist revolution at Ekaterineburg in June 1918 : 100 y later !
    Don't you find it strange, that the communists have executed the criminal wills of the foundator of the Rothschild gang ?? But this is opening the door of another story .
     
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    I did. Just so you know, in Seine saint denis, where the old kings and lords of France Lie. Is not France any more. There is no french men, and the women are all veiled by fear or by muslim faith.
    I would like to ask to european, why do we have the same neighbourhood issue with muslims all over europe but we don't have them with chinese, vietnam, or other eastern europe immigrants ?
     
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    French Muslims make up 5 to 10% of the population and the majority of them arrived from the former colonies such as Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia in the late 1960s and the 1970s when low-skilled labour was needed. It's primarily the second generation immigrants who are experiencing integration problems because those low-skilled jobs were lost to China and they are increasingly frustrated with the lack of economic opportunities, which results in social unrest in predominantly Muslim neighbourhoods.
     
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    Still haven't done your homework. Not good. :disbelief:

    The UK Labour Party, to remain in power, has adopted the policy of Muslim appeasement as a standard practice to capture their voters. The Labour government's refusal to let Geert Wilders enter the UK on February 12, 2009, was undoubtedly a reflection of that policy.

    Sir Winston Churchill assessed Islam as thus: &#8220;How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet (Mohammed) rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property &#8211; either as a child , a wife, or a concubine &#8211; must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.&#8221;

    British Muslims have already succeeded in establishing Sharia courts in the U.K. as a parallel system judiciary. As a matter of fact, through establishment of Sharia court, they have been able to advance the process of Islamization of UK a step further.

    Going soft on unruly Islamic demands and activities is an important element of Muslim appeasement. For example, the UK Government is reluctant to hand a harsh punishment for Roshanara Chaudhary, a young Muslim woman, for stabbing the Labour MP Stephen Timms, and that is the reason they have invented a history of mental illness in order to spare her of severe punishment.

    On April 2, 2004, thousands of UK Muslims staged a (not so peaceful) demonstration to denounce the British policy of sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. The unruly angry mob shouted violent slogans: &#8220;UK, you pay&#8221;, &#8220;Tony Blair, pull out your troops from Iraq, pull out your troops from Afghanistan, and if you do not pull out your troops, you will get bloodshed in the streets of London.&#8221; The demonstrators carried placards that read: &#8220;Europe will pay&#8221;, &#8220; Your annihilation is on the way&#8221; &#8220;This is the beginning of the end for you disbelievers&#8221;. But none were arrested. Media was reluctant to publicize the incidents.

    The threat was put into action exactly a year later, on July 7, 2005, London suffered a terrorist attack, In that incident, also known as 7/7, a series of coordinated suicide bombings took place on London&#8217;s public transport system during the morning rush hour. The attack claimed 56 lives and nearly 700 injured.

    On September 30, 2005, the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 12 editorial cartoons, most of which depicted the Islamic prophet Muhammad. In London, thousands of Muslims staged a demonstration, in front of the Danish embassy in London, against the cartoons appeared in the Danish newspaper. But the Labour Government refrained from taking any action and arresting none. It is needless to say that such an inaction on the part of the government encourages these Muslim criminals to undertake more violent activities in the UK.

    According to a report appeared in the February 5, 2010 edition of The Independent, on February 4, a UK Judge Cherie Blair, the wife of ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair, gave a man reduced sentence because he is devout Muslim. The news obviously shocked secular British society. The accused man, Shamso Miah, was released from jail last month after he was convicted of assaulting a person at a bank in east London, and sentenced to prison terms. In the present case, he was convicted of fracturing another person&#8217;s jaw. He was given a two-year suspended sentence instead of a six-month jail term because, Mrs Blair said, he was a &#8220;religious person&#8221; Pheeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle) :roll: Big time appeasement.

    Female students at the Ellesmere Port Catholic High School in Ellesmere Port, Cheshire were ordered to dress like Muslim women by wearing trousers, long sleeve shirts or blouses and headscarves on a compulsory school field trip to a local mosque. Students who refused to Islamize their outfits were punished.

    The CIA warned President Obama 3 years ago, that the greatest immediate threat to US homeland security was from militant Islamists in Britain, with ties to Pakistan. British troops in Afghanistan have reported Britain-based technical support for Taliban operations. All stemming from Labour Party weakness in dealing with British Muslim radicals.

    Met Police Attempt to Crush The EDL in Order to Appease The Enemy

    http://thebodyoftruth.wordpress.com...-crush-the-edl-in-order-to-appease-the-enemy/

    http://thebodyoftruth.wordpress.com...ctured-roaming-the-streets-of-central-london/

    http://www.britainfirst.org/news/childrens-commission-grooming-report-muslim-appeasement/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...easing-Muslim-fanatics-showing-interview.html


    Channel 4 cancels screening of film questioning Islam's origins

    Broadcaster calls off event at its HQ citing security fears after documentary Islam: The Untold Story drew 1,000 complaints
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/11/channel-4-cancels-screening-islam?CMP=twt_gu

    HA HA. This one is too funny. >>> In the latest act of pandering from the UK, a shopping mall in Rochdale has installed special Muslim-only toilets (via The Astute Bloggers): FURY has erupted after a shopping center became the first in Britain to introduce Muslim-only toilets. The Middle Eastern-style squat holes, just a hole in the ground, are common in Asia. Two of the £200 &#8220;Nile pan&#8221; units have been put into the Exchange shopping center in Rochdale, where one in five people is "Asian" (this is a Muslim appeasement word - euphemism means Muslim.). But locals have blasted them as a waste of cash. One angry resident, Ellen Dean, 49, fumed: &#8220;I work in a bookies here and everyone who comes in is up in arms about them. They are totally unnecessary. Even the majority of the Muslims here don&#8217;t seem to want them. Most of the people of Rochdale won&#8217;t be able to use them and I guarantee elderly people will be totally confused by them.&#8221;

    UK NURSERY APPEASEMENT OF MUSLIM DEMANDS OFFENDS BOTH MUSLIMS AND NON-MUSLIMS ALIKE&#8230;&#8230;.

    http://tundratabloids.com/2012/08/u...fends-both-muslims-and-non-muslims-alike.html

    The Football Association (FA) has changed its rules after a team was expelled by its league when Muslim players refused to play during Ramadan. Manchester's Abraham Moss Warriors were fined by the FA and thrown out of the Lancashire League after the boys' team refused to play morning games. The club was worried players fasting for Ramadan would become dehydrated as they could not drink before sunset. The FA has now said no team must play if it affects religious observance.

    http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/2005/06/britain-muslim-appeasement-how-far.html

    Some British Teachers Drop the Holocaust to Appease Muslims ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HGzo313j80

    Channel 4 have announced their new programming plans for spring/summer and are really scraping the barrel with the planned Muslim appeasing Ramadan season. The Islamists living in Britain and currently engaging in stealth jihad tactics to push Islam must be rubbing their hands with glee at C4&#8242;s decision to beam Islam related programming into British homes several times every day for a month including every night following the news.

    http://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/channel-4-announce-muslim-appeasing-ramadam-season/

    http://my.telegraph.co.uk/abdulmuhd/amuhd/103/our-politician-appeasement-of-islam-is-destructive/

    The legal muzzling of critics of Islam reaches new heights with the British &#8216;Racial and Religious Hatred Act&#8221;

    Beginning on Monday, the Racial and Religious Hatred Act will take effect in the UK, allowing for individuals to be prosecuted for &#8220;inciting religious hatred&#8221;.

    &#8220;The new offence can be committed by broadcasting, writing in a blog or on a website, recording sounds which are threatening, or in the performance of a play if there is intent to stir up religious hatred. Offences can be punished by a prison term of up to seven years and an unlimited fine. Where a company is found guilty of an offence and it is shown that the offence was committed with the consent or connivance of a director or manager, that person as well as the company itself can be punished.&#8221;

    That should put the kibosh on free speech in the country that fathered it. You can read the entire act here: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060001.htm

    Frankly, this could gone on for a month, just tabulating all of Britain's hundreds (if not thousands ) of idiotic (and dangerous) Muslim appeasements. I'll have to stop now though, because first, you already get the idea, and secondly, reading these is making me sick. :bleh:
     
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    I used to attend Uni in Saint-Denis where I took Linguistic classes (you could use some), and I can assure you that there are lots of French men and women showing their beautiful hair. Where are you from? Mars, Jupiter?
     
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    Lesson: use temporary work visas instead of mass immigration.
     
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    As an answer to the good protectionist guru ( which is not at all what he declares )
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    Quoting sir Winston Churchill could , as easily , help demonstrate how the jewish permanent plot is a dreadful danger to England and the world ! I want to insult no one by quoting the numerous phrases - from Disraeli to Sir Winston - that warns the folks against the jewish danger !
    As a " protectionnist " you could sorrow about being chief on your own land ! But for centuries , England is slaved by it's royal family's debt to the jewish " Bank of England " .(did you read " people of abyss" by Jack London ? it was 1900, = yesterday morning !)

    Among this " jewish danger " the hereby page : the present call for freely murder on genetic & religious issues , shows clearly the true origin of the so-called " islamic danger" .
    Netanyahu has just forbidden his ministers any talk about Syria !(Maariv 27/04)
    Why ? An explanation could be : " our racist campaign over Europ is blooming , so - please - , keep quiet ! if you don't want to see folks printing that we are the managers of this european war campaign ".

    There is not any tiny fact -today- that is not linked to the jewish criminal organization .
    Those who don't satisfy with daily rotten newspapers , may know that English policy is in jewish bankster's hands since 1685 & Wilhelm III .
    Any people who can't protect his " free" information network , belongs to the one who writes this " information" ! .Just check your sources = all of them are jewish ! It's a fact impossible to deny .

    You can't understand a chess party , as long you can't have all the tokens on the chessboard. The art of jewish bribery is to always mask his own token on the chessboard. Then he explains you how you must understand what he shows you...
    Rabi sez = "Exterminate all the Islamic world, it will be the golden age ! " , then the TV sez , then folks repeat ...then ..nazi-like Iraq crime happens & spreads .
     
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    Interesting points.

    According to official US survey. they were at least 7.5% last year.
    1. Skill labour was needed on the behalf of great industrialist ( Peugot, Bouygues ) in order to prevent the manufacturer labour wages to increase. At this point it was needed either to increase salary ( but reducing margins) or to invest capital into automated production ( like what the german did)
    The easy way was taken, bringing people, and then pretending they were french so they could stay and increase GDP through domestic consumption.

    At this point, the french people hasn't been asked. No referendum, no official party motion, not even proper information. In fact, a infamous "regroupement bill" has been passed by giscard Destaign regroupement famillial
    Which mean that immigration isn't done in the purpose of work but in the purpose of population (Women and children )

    Anyone refusing this was pushed out as a "xenophobic racist"

    2. "Integration"
    The integration of portuguese, Spanish, Italian precedents wave has been done quite calmly.
    Let wonder why.
    - Limited numbers ( less than a million in 10 year)
    - Similar culture
    - Same religion
    - Latin language
    - Similar custom and lifestyle.


    That may see incredible but not all the people on this planet live like european. And there is cultural shock already in country as close as Germany and France.

    While a part of xenophobia occured a little, as it always do it ran fine.

    Now you let wonder why north african and african immigrants don't integrate.

    - Different culture
    - Different lifestyle
    - Different view of authority
    - Revengeful view on history because of the political use of colonization
    - Different education system, different education level.
    - For 2/3 of them. A militant religion known as Islam.
    Check the sourced reasons about why it will always produce violent jihadist
    - Lack of acceptance of any form ( vote, referendum ect ... ) by the local population under moralistic thread. (Eat some Diversity or else you go on trial for racism)


    Empirical example of Marseille to find the Algerian Souk and coming in Paris ( Like in Chateau-rouge) to find a Bamako african market. Prove that not a majority of african immigrants integrate.


    3. It's because they are poor.

    A few of poorest region in France are the Cantal and the Creuse. Now they are one of the lowest crime rate per inhabitants. It's seem they don't burn cars or attack school to show they are angry
    While the 15th richest region in France "Seine-saint-denis" is plagued with crime.
    The bobigny slum was populated by both french and new immigrants before the new cities were rebuilt after the war. Yet. There is absoluly no record to a violence, and riots that we have each 2-3 year in France with burning car, burning flag, attack of schools, cops
    Translate this article it's sum up the case

    4. The multiculturalism dream
    Since they don't integrate, why don't we live side by side.
    The "ignore and live side by side" policy Aka "multiculturalism" failed in the mouth of our very gouvernement.

    A short vid also show problems that you have yourself in UK. And to be honest, Place like Tower Hamlet suburbs are not england. Just like i can't bring you in Bobigny, Grigny and say "look it's a french city"

    Well, tell me exactly which streets/zone you are on and at what time. I'm currently studying in Evry, i had to move on Saint-Denis for personal business, and i can for example tell you that l'OREAL company girls are leaving with the escort of the security personal s of their company. There is a infamous case of multiple report of "Tournante" which are gang rape.
    It's more or less safe before mid-day while the actual streets enforcer are still sleeping.

    Or are you talking about a few secured company close to Saint-Denis-La-plaine ?
     
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    Utter tosh.

    Family reunification laws were put in place so that the an immigrant worker could enjoy having a family life like the rest of us.

    And Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians and so on have been subjugated to racist campaigns too during their wave of immigration.

    And if you don't like buying foreign food there are plenty of French markets all over the place. Why you would restrict the rights of immigrants to enjoy their own products is indeed xenophobic.

    Your claim that there was no record of violence in Bobigny before the war is fecking hilarious. It was a slum for crissake. Now it's become a large city hosting many gouvernment buildings including the Court House. It's a fairly French city.

    And Saint-Denis is home of many gouvernment offices too including the University so your claim that there are no French people there is rubbish.
     
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    1. This is more important than "having the right to a family" this is the right for 150 000/ 200 000 migrants per year (+ illegals who get naturalized ) to come and settle here to populate area of France. Less than 10% of the current migration is work migration. The rest are men and women who come to settle in France. In 5 years they are fully French, yep. with a piece of paper saying they are.
    2. The family reunification was set up to increas
     
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    Damn, my long post was deleted. Ignore for now.
     
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    Indeed. Except that muslim families are large, very large. So, you reunify father with his wife at 8 kids, who grow up and select a mate from their home country in the Middle East, who then get French citizenship and reunify with parents, who bring in more of their kids. Rinse, repeat. Paris used to be a beautiful city; it's still is, but parts of it now looks like Beirut :)
     

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