Is it me or are liberals now routinely anti Christian and anti Semitic?

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  1. ESTT

    ESTT Well-Known Member

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    Let's not forget that Christianity teaches that ALL human beings are deserving of hell simply for existing. Bare in mind that it was God who allowed for sin to exist in the first place as well. Thus, putting members of our species at risk of going to hell, when a better alternative to our universe could have been created by God with ease. Only He simply decided not to. Some Christians say there needs to be sin to create choice. Well, where was the choice to be born into this twisted experiment or not?
     
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    You should be happy. Because aside from that first sentence, I agree with everything you said in this post. I simply have to hope I find the right group to carry out the change I seek.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A twisted experiment indeed. Akin to putting Adam and Eve in the ring with Satan and expecting Satan to lose.

    Two beings who knew not good from evil - innocent and trusting - in the ring with the great deceiver with God-like powers.

    Then punishing A&E for losing that contest. A room with no doors.
     
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    You did not claim that Dahlmer or the Romans were the light of the world - purveyors of individual liberty. What you claimed was that the Church after it got power under the Romans were purveyors of individual liberty.

    This is false. The Church ushered in the 1000 years of horror in which individual liberty, rights and depravity were worse than under the Romans.

    It was not until the Church lost much of its power that the resurgence of individual liberty happened.
     
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    nor did I claim evil Christians were the light of the world. The ones who created Western morality by teaching billions the 10 Commandments( eg love thy neighbor as thyself), founded hospitals, universities, alms house and guided everyone with love though life's major events ie birth marriage death illness etc etc were the light of the world. Now do you understand?
     
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    resurgence?? how could there have been a resurgence when before the church we were the Roman/Nazis based on military conquest of the world, murder, rape, plunder, and massive slavery (over half the people in Rome were slaves). Isn't learning fun??
     
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    Odd given the the great Enlightenment thinkers like Locke credited the birth of liberty to Christianity, not the Roman /Nazis. Now do you understand?
     
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    I didn't realize that the Church had an army and scripture encouraged them to conquer kill plunder and and enslave the world as the Romans naturally did? You have such a deep understanding of the world.
     
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    yes Jesus challenged the power of Ceasar thus greatly reducing the power of liberal Gods on earth. Instead people were free to create their own lives, lives hopefully based on the Great Commandment: love thy neighbor as thyself. Get it now?
     
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    OMG!! As if being conquered killed and enslaved by the Roman legions was a grand old time!! See why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
     
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    seems like you know God well?
    what is the better alternative that God should have created? You clean forgot to say?
     
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    basic morality of Christianity is "love thy neighbor as thyself". Time literally begins when this concept was introduced to mankind. Do you know why?
     
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    who said it tells you that?? Martin Luther totally reformed Christianity with his different perspective. Don't think he was worried about eternal punishment. Do you understand?
     
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    what you are trying to say is, for existing badly, ie for not " loving thy neighbor as thy self." Now do you understand?
     
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    human history is the battle between freedom and govt or liberals and conservatives. Do you understand now?
     
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    you don't think spreading the word of Jesus was a lot of loving? Building 37,000 monasteries all over Europe that recreated society based on Jesus' love while the Romans Empire collapsed and was invaded from all sides?
     
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    You are just a sucker for punishment. What spreading the word of Jesus. We covered this already .. the Church during the 1000 years of horror was an anathema to the teachings of Jesus... Christianity in general still does not follow the teachings of Jesus.

    Why do you continue to talk nonsense even though I have schooled you already. How lessons does it take for you to learn 1+1 = 2 ?

    I just finished giving you links talking about how the Dominicans ( you know- the ones living in Monasteries) were the ones doing the Torturing.

    Great .. the Church set up 37000 torture centers.... Such love.
     
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    THE HIGH POINT of the middle ages brought an unprecedented explosion of Christian ministry to those in physical distress. Across Europe, the twelfth and thirteenth centuries birthed hundreds of leper houses and hospitals for the sick and poor, along with hospitaller and military orders (See “Our lords the sick,” p. 31), lay confraternities (organizations dedicated to charity, mutual support, and religious devotion), monasteries, and penitential groups doing charitable work.

    Bishops and monks founded many of the new hospitals and sustained them with their funds and labor. But laypeople—lords, knights, and townsfolk—now also began shouldering the charitable load. The traditional “corporal mercies” (see “Did you know,” p. 3) inspired hospital donors and hospital workers to new heights of personal sacrifice.

    This period represented a turning point in the ways ordinary women and men thought about and acted toward their poor and needy neighbors. What did this cultural and moral change look like “on the ground,” and what caused it?
     
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    INTRODUCTION: RELIGIOUS CHARITY
    (pp. 1-8)
    DOI: 10.2307/j.ctt284vz1.5


    CONTEMPORARY CONCERNS with welfare and social policy have led scholars to become interested in the study of poverty and the poor in western Europe during the Middle Ages. The result of this attention has been a growing bibliography that has focused on the history of medieval social policy and of the institutions created to implement a strategy of poor relief. This study seeks to refine our understanding of this history by exploring the pivotal role played by religion and religious institutions in the creation, evolution, and sustenance of the myriad of hospitals, leprosaria, almshouses, orphanages, and confraternal and parochial charities..
     
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    6 CHARITY THAT SANCTIFIES
    (pp. 222-244)
    DOI: 10.2307/j.ctt284vz1.11


    MANY OF THOSE who served the poor in almshouses and hospitals did so as professed members of religious communities. Although Benedictines, both men and women, had long given alms to the poor and practiced other forms of charity, the religious of the hospital are of a different sort. Traditional monks, for example, were called upon to undergo a martyrdom of the flesh, while, as Jacques de Vitry argues, hospitallers suffered a martyrdom of service. Unlike monks, who were called to the contemplative life, hospitallers led active lives within the secular world and so followed the less restrictive Rule of St....
     
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    CONCLUSION: BETWEEN TWO WORLDS: An Elusive Paradigm
    (pp. 267-286)
    DOI: 10.2307/j.ctt284vz1.13
    THE INTENT of the foreging seven chapters has been to sketch the nature, characteristics, and evolution of medieval religious charity and its various components. We began with the obligation to give, an idea rooted in the very bedrock of Christianity, which received new shape and iteration in the writings of Innocent III and the reform generation of the early thirteenth century. The theoretical demands of charity, furthermore, were given practical expression in the myriad of shelters, almshouses, hospices, hospitals, and leprosaria that date from as early as the fourth century. The urban renaissance of the twelfth century, however, gave a...
     
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    Charity and Religion in Medieval Europe: James Brodman ...
    https://www.amazon.com/Charity-Religion-Medieval-Europe.../dp/0813215803

    Charity and Religion in Medieval Europe Hardcover – April 7, 2009. ... Benevolence toward the poor inmedieval Europe rested upon ideological foundations established by Christianity and was practiced by a diverse body of clerics and lay people. Charity and Religion in Medieval Europe .
     
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    Christianity finally adopted the system inherited from antiquity and adapted it to the Christian faith. Added onto what was taught in antiquity was the singing of the Psalms. During the Sixth Century, Barbarian invasions threatened civilization and monasteries became the last refuge for culture. After the Dark Age caused by these invasions, the Carolingian period saw a rebirth of education. The courteous ideal contributed to the humanisation of social relationships and respect for women increased. Emotional education progressed and the art of loving began to gain importance. The disciplines were applied for theology, and logic was used to build a rational philosophy of the church’s doctrine. Pedagogy is implemented to train men to serve God.

    Key concepts and important figures:

    Charlemagne, Aluin of York, Chivalric education, Aristotelian logic, The Scholastic, syllogism.
     
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    I can see your point. But I don't think we find any 'group' to carry anything out... I think it's mostly what we contribute overall (including being involved with certain groups) over the course of our lives.

    I'd say that you yourself are more of a catalyst for change, than any group you might have in mind.
     

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