Is Jesus divine?

OK .. Look - you say above you don't know God through Scripture = don't know his word through scripture - but, you post scripture all the time .. claiming God's word .. and talk about the word of God in scripture "The Truth" in scripture.

Now you say the name of your God is Truth .. Great ! finally we have something to work with .. now where in the Bible is this God mentioned.. if anywhere .. how did you learn of the name of this God ?

 

You can warn a man on the edge of a cliff of the danger of falling. That's simply advice - not a leading. He may jump or fall.

 

Why do you even entertain the idea of talking about God if you want to present the idea it is an illusion? Just asking.

 

There is no knowing in a name Gif. Otherwise Satan could declare himself Jesus Christ, and we'd be none the wiser if a name were all important. Like the claim of divine representation, there's no validation in a claim.

 

So in communicating with God's spirit can you perhaps obtain the cure for cancer, or perhaps a cure for the common cold?

 

You don't need me to tell you what you already know, which is that though nobody wants to, in the end we all die. And what matters is how or in what spirit we live while we do, and in what spirit we exit this stage.

 

I have cancer. I don't blame God. He can heal me if that's His will. I've had it for ten years and He has allowed me to live and sometimes, I do His work. I have been a comfort to others faced with the same thing. I love my children and grandchildren, my wife and even others that don't see things my way. Jesus is always with me and he wants to be with you. When this is over, I will be with Him.

 

Of course there is knowing in a name .. how do you know the word of your God in the Bible if you don't know which God of the Bible you follow ?

You claim that Jesus is wrong when he says "Hallowed be thy name" - clearly Jesus thinks God's name is important. You then - once again - claim to be smarter than Satan .. to be able to out-wit a God - tester of souls .. king of deception .. ruler of the earth.

Do you not understand how pompous .. almost to the point of blasphemy of a kind .. this boasting about how you can't be tricked by Satan .. like you would be the wiser .. Ever.

How are you going to be "The wiser" should Sataniel decide to drop by .. you wanna attempt to validate that claim ... this I need to hear .. but realize I wont .. just like the name or identity of the God you worship so let me digress .. in order to attempt to make contact .. keeping in mind that I too .. "like you" or at least like you claim .. have met the All Spark ..

So tell me what you think about my theory on the dumbest most reckless thing a human can do .. and this is in scripture .. hence why the Jews do not have a promise to God in their marriage ceremony - unlike the Christians who do ... be it Protestant - Catholic - Orthodox ... so .. every married Christian has done thing .. essentially .. so don't feel bad if you have done it too .. no idea if the promise to God is in Joe Smith's ceremony.

My rational - in addition to "The Bible told me so" and I thought the advice was good.. is that if God doesn't exist .. and you make such a promise .. its a meaningless worthless promise amounting to nothing .. like promising you will start exercising the day the sun does not rise in the East... who cares if you break the promise .. there is no consequence and no gained..

but, if the God you made the promise to does exist --- and you break your vow to this God .. now your in real trouble .. of the Divine kind .. and that would really suck .. so either way .. can you think of anything that would be more - dumb - senseless - reckless .. than this ? Didn't think so.

Now .. OK -- you didn't do this .. or at least not that I know of .. but what you did do while not on the same level .. is kind of on the same plane of .. "Why would you do that" type of thing .. Tempting the Devil .. mate .. .. you a much braver soul than me ... that much I will say but hey ... when in doubt .. just say "The Devil Made Me Do it" .. and explain to me why you making claims on behalf of my good friend Ha Satan ... aka .. tester of souls.. but not yours right .. cause you like the Teflon Don .. Ol Satan's probes gonna bounce right off .. and you go boasting this about ..taunting the kitty with piece of string... hoping against all hope that that soul testing God character in the Bible does not exist .. and is not the Chief God on earth as the Good Book say .. the Book you don't believe but quote from all day.

 

God clearly does not intervene in such a way .. like a scientist does not directly interrupt an experiment in progress. God obviously created cancer .. and it wasn't so that you would not get it .. perhaps so that you could get it and wife Asherah Queen of Heaven could intervene .. that would at least be possible .. if not plausible if you really think hard on the issue ... as I have. What is not possible nor plausible is that God created cancer so that people would not get it ..

The rules of the game / experiment are in place . .. and what will be will be .. no help nor harm will come from direct intervention of the Primordial Uncreated one.. but that does not mean other forces will not come to your assistance .. should one call on them

 

Sorry....I must have done the unthinkable. "I cast pearls before swine,"

 

Yeah, right. He first creates all those Antichrist and Apocalypses and then - BEWARE, Apocalypse ahead! Don't fall for it.
It's the definition of temptation.

NO, that's not it. It's already set in stone. I mean paper. A threat from Heaven, clear as day.

So you see, you're quite wrong about that. According to Christian Scripture at least.

 

Isn't it odd that much of Revelation 14 is 'cobbled' together from texts from the OT. written centuries before. Yet John the Jew uses them for Christianity adding his own beliefs?

 

Well then his name is hallowed. And there's your answer. As for me, I only know God by his spirit, which I recognized and remembered when he came to me. Your supposition about, what if the truth is an illusion, is interesting. I've said it before, but it seems appropriate to repeat it:

When you go to bed and fall asleep, you forget your life. And while you sleep, you dream. And while you dream, you think your dream is life. But then your alarm clock dings. You wake up and you recognize and remember your life and all the stuff you have to do. And you realize in the same instant that the dreams you dreamt while you slept weren't real. So you go about living your life. Then you repeat this every day of your life, living, sleeping, dreaming, waking.

My spiritual conversion is something akin to this. Gods spirit awakened me to a recognition and remembrance of him, to know that he is real, that he lives and is divine. And I realized that my true life was in him rather than in myself or my life alone. It made of my former life, something of a dream in which I thought I lived. And it happened in the middle of the day when I was wide awake and in full control of my faculties in my living room.

Now I see my former life as a darkened and fleshy pit, filled with tradition, pride, contention, confusion, and the babel of mankind. As such, my conversion is a rebirth. And I can't deny the truth. I know that God lives. I know that everyone knows him but has forgotten him, and the world is in a state of amnesia. Whether this amnesia is mans doing or Gods doing, I don't know, but that it is so. I am free by the charity of God. And that is all that matters to me. So I honor and keep in remembrance the God of my rescue.

 

You are laying to God the actions and choices of mankind as if his crucifixion weren't enough. Even his warnings are to you an offense. I can't fathom that depth of animosity and belligerence.

 

Well, how about God canceling all the tragic stuff? Cancel Armageddon, cancel the Apocalypse, destroy the Antichrist in his cradle and not letting him grow to full scale villain, trample the "mark of the beast"? No? Then that's what I call "lead us to temptation and deliver us into the hands of evil". Just the opposite of what the Bible hypocritically says.
If I was a shepherd, I wouldn't let wolves anywhere near my flock, let alone let them in to kill the 'unfit'. But your God has a different 'pastor-shephard' mind, that doesn't fit our human narrative and moral values, I guess.

 

He has to honor our free agency. Otherwise there's no salvation or exaltation. The scripture is a warning. If you ignore the warning, then that's on you. It's like tempting God.

 

If I am torn apart by a wolf or a tiger, this is not my free will, is it? The wolf or the tiger won't ask me if I agree to be eaten or not.

May be it's a warning. However, I don't like the script of all that play.
We are forbidden to kill (10 commandments), we are ordered to turn the other cheek and love our enemies and we are served an Apocalypse and an Antichrist to "test" us. That's just great, isn't it. Just lay down with hands tied and die.

Christianity is a death cult. And all sheep are eager to die (heard it from a real time shepherd), apparently including the Christian ones.

 

No mate "Hallowed" is not the name of the God in question .. but, you already know this .. just another deflection or better referred to as "thought stopping device" -- as was the failure to address most of my post.

Your experience was True .. and spirit was awakened as you say .. but then spirit that was awakened went into a deep coma that nothing can penetrate. Thought stopping mechanisms are defenses against "Bad thoughts" implanted by unscrupulous cult leaders intentionally into adherents .. these demon's are not fake .. but real .. whether or not they are minions of Satan is another question.

You say you cannot deny the truth - you had an experience of a God - which is true and I do not deny this truth either. What is false is that is the belief that the Bible (or any other book) is the word of God on this basis .. a demonstrable falsehood that the spirit in coma is not willing to face.

"Truth is an Illusion" - was not what was being said to you - another thought stopping device .. anything to deflect from or make the "Bad Thought" go away .. and I am not even sure what I said that triggered this subconscious response but would like to know and you should too.

In short .. what you experienced was true and real .. not an illusion.. Just as real as your denial of what you know is true .. which is that you do not know Gods word on the basis of this meeting with this God and you don't know if this is the only God. So while your experience was true ..no truths were revealed in that experience .. and in the case of those who experienced the God of Smith .. no truths that we have not already received .. making this NOT the word of God .. lest you believe in a pointless God .. which is not the case.

Just because you experienced a God .. does not mean some text from the Bible that you believe to be from God ---- is from the same God ... or that any text in the Bible is from this God .. and not the other Gods who's names we know, unlike the name of the God you met .. that we do not know.

You claim scripture is God's Word .. but then turn around and deny that Satan is just as real as the God that you experienced ..a God whose name you do not know and have yet to figure out... welcome to the Club friend ... least on the last part. If you don't believe that the Satan of the Bible is Real the you don't believe the Bible is God's word .. or at least not that part .. either that or this God of Yours is lying once again .. and we can't abide that ...

You claim to be able to see the Truth .. but can you not also see falsehood .. surely you are not oblivious to the presence of deception in the above web if illogic .. that perhaps the trigger .. the subconscious fear .. causing the desire hide from the bad thought .. the deception in this case.

You claim you know the one True God of the Bible .. the Bible this God's word pretending that there is only one God in the Bible - when the word of God itself in the Bible tells us that there is more than one God .. Ha Satan being one of these Gods .. a God whose existence you deny thus being in denial of God's word .... and Joe Smiths word should his revelation mention the devil in any way. Not that we should accept Smiths revelation as God's word for the simple reason that you can't come up with anything that adds to what God has already revealed.

The truth is not at your fingertips because you have a brief visit with one of of the many spirits of God. The Truth is God's word.. but you must seek in order to find this Truth .. that you have been deceived into thinking you have already found. I can tell you that the truth is not to be found in that web of irrational deception above .. not to be found in denial of the Truth .. but in rejection of said deception.

Now explain to me why you choose to taunt our good friend Sataniel - was it because you do not believe the Truth of God's word in the Bible and thus do not believe that Satan is Real ? - and are so convinced of this Truth that you are brave enough to flip the Devil the Bird - cross my heart and hope to die ? .. can you not hear the clapping in the crowds ? Bravo bold one ! .. The Gods of the Divine Assembly excited to see what will happen next .. another battle between

1) in the Red Corner ... standing 5:10 and 5:3 -- Adam and Eve Tag team - completely innocent - never before in battle - not even having the faintest idea of Good and Evil .. having no idea what is Truth .. and knowing no falsehood - yet having experienced God its True.

2) In the Blue Corner -- Trouble - Chief God on Earth and Tester of Souls --- the greatest deceiver with great Godly powers ..

and your going to place your entire fortune on Adam and Eve in this battle .. "cause the Devil is Nutting" and then expect God to bail you out after the fact ... for making a really bad and reckless bet .... kicking sand in the face of God - hallowed be thy name.

 

Couple of things. First off, this life isn't supposed to last forever for anyone. Second, the evils done are done by men, not by God or by men who do good. Over time, men do more evil, resulting in trends and alignments that bring about greater evils, like world wide economic tyranny or the mark of the best. It is what men choose to do, rather than listen to the spirit of God and conscience for a better world. So Gods prophets have warned us about the consequences of mens doings. The things they say gets written down and passed from generation to generation. Prophecies aren't directives like software programming. They are warnings from God for our benefit. I don't know why God does one thing and not another. I don't presume to tell God what is wise or right or what I think he should do. In the end, the just and the unjust stand before God to be judged. God judges by how we have chosen to live. God can't bless or curse without our knowledge of our own actions. But we must be allowed the freedom to choose and act so as to separate the good from the bad. And for us say that God is a just God.

 

Good message. Time to let sleeping dogs lie. These two are not seeking.

 

I know that Satan is real. I just don't care about him. He is not a God but an enemy to God. There is only one God, whom I thank for my life and to know that he is my God.

 

So you do not believe the Bible is the Word of God .. as the Bible say Ha Satan is a God .. Chief God over the Earth... so no belief in the Satan of the Bible but you believe in some other Devil .. who's name is likely other than Satan .. you just confusing the Satan of the Bible with the Demon you know is real but whose name you do not know ..

As discussed in previous post .. your claim that there is only one God is not based on your God Experience ... nor is it based on the Bible .. did God sit with you for tea and reveal this information ... as if not this is deception.

 

So, Christianity is a death cult.

It is not OK to lump everything together. There are men and there are men. If an oligarch or a power freak decides to economically enslave people, it is God's task to take him down. Because, well, I am forbidden to kill, murder and assassinate, right? So who's responsibility is that the power junkie still draws breath? God's.
The same applies for the "abomination that leads to desolation" and "mark of the beast". God allows them to happen, apparently. He can take them down in a minute but He allows them to exists and do their evil things.
Well I am sorry, if someone wants to impose a worldwide economic tyranny or fabricate an Apocalypse, it's not my choice and free will to take part of it. I didn't signed for it.

That's right, warning that we're going to be tempted and not to give in those temptations.

 

Think you are confusing sheep droppings for Pearls unfortunately - my condolences on the unthinkable friend ..

Now there is a postal projection if every there was one to be found .. The only argument proffered is personal invective followed by running around gossiping behind the back - desperate to deflect from "The light - the way- the Truth" .. This deception is not in keeping with the path that Jesus has prepared.

 

It doesn't matter what your religion is, even if one is non religious. Everyone is going to die because mortality is sowed into our beings in the womb. That's science or the reality of the natural world, regardless of whether you live in a jungle or an ivory tower or what you believe. The purpose of Christianity is to save our spirits or souls from the evil that permeates life and the world. But that is an individual matter according to our choices and that which we love. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ is an offering to us for our salvation. But the choice to either accept or reject it in spirit and truth is ours to make.

Prophecy teaches that mankind, in rejecting God and his offering, will eventually combine to create an either/or scenario. That is to either love and worship the living God, or instead worship the image of righteousness which is the image of the beast. One can receive the mark and guarantee economic continuity, rationalizing its justness by the love of self. (They will rationalize that the mark doesn't change their heart.) Or one can reject the mark and be out of the loop. This scenario is already in motion to a great degree in spirit, as most people already worship the image of righteousness as opposed to the living God. For instance, people judge and hold one another to impossible standards of perfection according to an ideal image, while excusing away their own vast iniquity. This they presume is righteous in keeping with the image. They love neither God nor their fellow man, only themselves and the image. But they absolve themselves of any contradiction as the image they worship is amenable to their own sins. In any case, a living God is already out of the picture to them.

But to be out of the loop isn't necessarily the end of life. Reason would suggest that it boils down to self reliance and trust in God. And if we die, as all will eventually, it will not have been in vain. This is of course my personal opinion which you can file away in kooksville. But if you see the mark materialize in law or what have you, you can know the prophecy was true. Therefore you will know that God lives. And if you take the mark anyway, knowing this. Therefore knowing this "the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."