Is the one dollar per treatment theory on Hydroxychloroquine valid?

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Could Hydroxychloroquine be too cheap to be of interest to BigPharma?

  1. No.... that is a conspiracy theory!

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  1. DennisTate

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    Could the theory have some validity that the real reason why BigPharma does not want USA patients using Hydroxychloroquine be because one treatment can cost as low as one dollar?

    If it costed more than fifty dollars per treatment....... then is it possible that BigPharma might be far more interested in it?

    I mean....... we could not allow people to have hope that there was a low cost treatment could we?


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    No, it's because it doesn't work.

    And sometimes it does actual harm.
     
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    Not a single cent. Can't stand BigPharma, actually.

    I'm speaking from medical perspective only.
     
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    That's a happy coincidence.

    But the stuff doesn't work.
     
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    Dennis,

    Everything you are talking about has already been covered on other threads. At least some of them have discussions involving very well informed & well qualified people, at least one of who appears to be a well informed doctor. You should read some of the informed comments - and in this case 'informed' means people who are able to read & understand medical trials & assess their worth. Anecdotes are not proof.

    The lady in the video is, well, crazy. She believes that alien DNA is being used in medical experiments, and that witches and demons get into people's dreams, turn into men & women to secretly collect semen and then impregnate women and produce more demons. I wouldn't let her treat my pet cat, let alone another human. Most of the doctors standing behind her are either retired or don't treat patients with COVID, so that video says a lot about how weak & politicized the case for HCQ is.

    On the central premise of your thread, one of the approved drugs to treat COVID is Dexamethasone. It is a cheap, readily available steroid and a course of treatment costs a few $. Evidence that it works came from the same large, randomized trial in the UK that stopped using HCQ when it showed no benefit (as did 3 other drugs being trialled). The other drug approved for use is under license, but it was developed by a small company, not 'Big Pharma', so the idea that they somehow got everyone to stop using HCQ so they could make money doesn't pass the laugh test.

    So, the idea that 'Big Pharma' is stopping people from using HCQ falls over under the slightest examination.
     
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    Price is one issue that BigPharma cares about.......... SUPPLY is another issue.......... because BigPharma wants a vaccine!


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    OK, so I just made a multi paragaph post full of facts and well reasoned argument, and you reply with a single, nonsensical sentence and a right wing meme that is not remotely relevant to the discussion. Guess that was just a waste of my time. Not a mistake I'll make twice.
     
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    New York state was the epicenter at the beginning of the pandemic when nobody knew what they were doing and supplies were stretched. Cuomo made some mistakes, sure, but they were mistakes of action. He didn't sit around doing nothing while blowing a bunch of hot air full of entitled outrage about how a virus shouldn't be allowed to be an inconvenience to American life and in no way means people should have to act differently to combat it. Cuomo fumbled at times. Obviously putting COVID patients in nursing homes was not ultimately a good choice.

    But unlike the Desantis's and Brian Kemp's and Kristi Noem's of this country, he didn't stand back and twiddle his thumbs, seemingly at least half convinced of the president's asinine claims of the seriousness of the virus being a hoax.

    I am more able to forgive missteps in action than I am gross and willful negligence of the kind some of the governor's and the president are guilty of.
     
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    But the point really is that President Trump cannot under any circumstances be given any credit......... even when he clearly deserves it.

    If a doctor uses
    Hydroxychloroquine on over three hundred high risk patient.... and loses none......
    then even though it is low cost the problem with it is that once President Trump promoted it....... all of his opponents had to assemble to attempt to prove that he could not possibly be correct about it.

    Your replies were well worded..... but I doubted that you were sincere!




     
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    You want to make political points. I am interested in medical solutions. Never the twain.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'll leave you to it.
     
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    From what I have heard so far but you are not being fooled by me... .
    you seem to have fallen for untruths put forward by BigMedia and BigPharma both of whom
    are desperate to see that President Trump is NOT re-elected. BigGovernment wants the general
    population to feel that the people desperately need them...... so the truth about
    Hydroxychloroquine
    had to be obscured somehow.

    One of the tactics that is used to make a product seem ineffective is deliberately under dosing.....
    that was the strategy used by the co-author of Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski in order to prove that Dr. Burzynski's
    anti-neoplastons therapy was somewhat ineffective...... so that the BigPharma company that the doctor was
    actually working for could eventually acquire his therapy at a fraction of its real value. BigPharma got
    their bureaucrats in BigGovernment to keep Dr. Burzynski in court rather than saving lives........

    Do you know what happens when posters on forums fall for the tactics that are used to keep the
    general public in the dark? The implications of three hundred at risk patients being saved by
    one doctor alone means that millions of people all over America and the whole world will die
    if a low cost readily available possible solution can be successfully SMEARED by BigMedia and BigPharma and BigGovernment.

    I of course do not know if that is what BigPharma has done in this particular case...... but I do know that they
    are desperate to defeat President Trump in this election..... and keep the average person in the dark.....
    but if you are interested in learning about some of the tactics they use then you will want to see both
    of the Dr. Burzynski documentaries. The first one is given in post number three here:

    Who would you nominate to replace Dr. Anthony Fauci?

    ... but I have to warn you.... the truth about how corrupt things can become when billions of dollar are involved... .can be kind of depressing.
     
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    The lady doctor's beliefs on what all is happening around us in invisible dimensions of space and time as implied by String Theory and reported by near death experiencers is irrelevant to whether or not she had three hundred high risk patients survive after she gave them
    Hydroxychloroquine
    and your writing implies that you should be intelligent enough to grasp that that is one important part of a smear campaign on that potentially very effective drug. Once that video came out with statements by several doctors in Washington...... then the spin doctors who work for BigPharma and BigMedia had to go to work to see what they could find that they could use against her.

    You might find the results of this poll somewhat surprising?

    Does Big Pharma own certain judges?

    Could Big Pharma have several USA judges working for them?

    1. No .... that is ridiculous!
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    2. Yes.... money talks!
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    3. *
      Yes.... big Pharma could bribe or blackmail certain judges.
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    4. I am not sure but it would be great if a real cure for cancer has been developed by Dr. Burzynsk?
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    Change Your Vote


    https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/dr-burzynski-trial-update/







     
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    There’s been no evidence to suggest that using hydroxychloroquine in treatment of COVID has resulted in improved outcomes. Even if we disregard the possibility that it could make outcomes worse, we have to consider what sudden massive increases in demand does to the supply. Given that it’s used to treat things such as malaria, rheumatoid arthritis, and systemic lupus erythematosis we know that it has valid and proven uses. If we increase the demand for the medication by millions of people, for a purpose that hasn’t been proven to be effective, then people who actually need it will go without.
    Cost has nothing to do with it. You don’t think pharmaceutical companies would love to have the whole world giving them a buck a day to avoid COVID? Get real. We just can’t waste finite resources on causes that don’t benefits from their use.
     
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    Thank you for looking at the video and it is good that you at least see something positive in her testimony but.... it seems to be obvious to me that Hydroxychloroquine
    is being smeared.... and physicians who use it and publicly promote it will also be smeared!

    If it eventually comes out that this low cost effective treatments is being deliberately smeared then...... the real issue is actually about saving millions...... and even tens of millions of lives over the coming years and decades!

    The motives for that smear are many and fairly obvious!
    1. President Trump spoke about it so he cannot be given any credit whatsoever especially in an election year
    2. BigGovernment needs a population to think that they desperately need them and Hydroxychloroquine being low cost and effective tends to cause people to realize that perhaps this isn't as huge of an emergency as it is being spun to look like.
     
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    Millions of lives are actually at stake if a low cost and effective treatment is being smeared. The probable motives are obvious to all of us who are attempting to be at all intellectual honest about the timing of this.

    One doctor with three hundred at risk patients and she loses none of them after giving them
    hydroxychloroquine has off the scale implications statistically!


     
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    Actually... it seems obvious to me that if the doctor's testimony is true that she gave hydroxychloroquine to three hundred at risk patients and lost zero of them...... then the people who are attempting to turn this into an election issue are the people who want to smear her as a physician and smear hydroxychloroquie as a treatment for COVID 19. People who want to get at the truth about this might just want to see lives saved and also see that the economic part of this COVID 19 crisis doesn't set in motion another 1929.
     
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    I’ve seen the video and I’m familiar with her past, which I’m willing to ignore for the sake of this discussion.
    No study thus far has shown that her results can be replicated. Medicine is finite. We don’t wash it down the drain on a whim. If it can be proven to help it should absolutely be used. It hasn’t been. There are ways to test medicines and treatments effectiveness. Until that it done there is no reason to waste a needed resource on an unproven cause.
     
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    Studies can quite easily be cooked if the motive is there and there is enough money and / or power at stake. A skilled physician can deliberately give patients a dose of hydroxychloroquine that they already know will be ineffective...... and they can produce a study that makes hydroxychloroquine look bad to the average reader of that study. It is called deliberately under-dosing.

    Any honest medically savy person who hears her testimony would not be concerned about her religious beliefs but would want to know the dosage levels that she used to save those three hundred at risk patients of hers.
     
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    Well you know what they say about extraordinary claims.
    Show me the receipts.
     
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    I live in Canada and the doctor in question practices in Texas so I am not the best person to ask about following up on this. If you really care.... contact physicians who also live in Texas especially ones who know the doctor who used that treatment so successfully.
     
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    Conspiwacy Theowy...
     
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    You have inspired me..... I thought up a way that I might just be able to organize something to address this in spite of the fact that I live in Canada. This is on the Creative Corner forum:

    The Muddy Water Experiment film production cooperative proposed.....


     
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    It’s not on me to call around to doctors to ask about their methods. If you’re suggesting there are studies that have intentionally suppressed the evidence supporting hydroxycloroquine as an effective treatment for COVID, the onus is on you to back that up.
     
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