IS the term "The People" in the second amendment different

you should spend more time researching the issues you want to opine about and less time coming up with stupid GIFs that have nothing to do with the subject matter. So far your constant claims that only you comprehend the constitution is a real laugher

 

yep, I noted the power over private citizens is essentially bogus at a federal level and he referenced those serving in the militia. It appears that the difference was something he missed

 

Natural rights philosophers distinguish between self-defense in a civilized society and self-defense in state of nature. In a civilized society your right to defend yourself can be quite limited. The law can require, for example, that you have a duty retreat in certain situations and in other situations you can use force against an assailant. But this is not what the Second Amendment is about at all. The Second Amendment was meant as an assurance that the state militias would be armed but ceded no power to the states.

 

I completely reject that.

 

The text of the Second Amendment itself reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In my book Crimes and Cover-Ups in American Politics: 1776-1963, I devoted a section to the very clear comments by all the Founders, regarding what the Second Amendment actually meant. It would have been nice if they’d worded it better, so there wouldn’t be an opening for the usual suspects to interpret it to suit their agendas. But each and every one of those who ratified it, even the odious, bankers’ stooge Alexander Hamilton, left no doubt in their public comments, that the Bill of Rights protected the individual’s right to keep and bear arms.

It’s ironic that the word “militia” is in there, seeing as how that term has come to be demonized, especially since the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, when Bill Clinton exploited it like a poster child for muscular dystrophy. All the state controlled media has to do at this point is claim some poor sap was associated with some “militia,” and its de facto evidence of guilt. Of something. Anything. James Madison, considered the father of the Constitution, noted in The Federalist Papers that "a standing army....would be opposed [by] militia." He wanted State governments to have the ability to “repel the danger" of a federal army. You know, like the Military Industrial Complex, which he could not have foreseen in his wildest dreams.

Thomas Jefferson in particular was vehemently opposed to a standing federal army. Like the rest of the Founders, he believed it was the responsibility of a citizens militia of ordinary Americans to defend their state, or in the rarest of circumstances, the entire country from an outside threat. He also made it clear that an armed citizenry was the best defense against government tyranny. As president, Jefferson slashed military spending. He noted, “Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people’s] freedom and subversive of their quiet.” In 1789, the author of the Declaration of Independence wrote, “There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors….Such an instrument is a standing army." No wonder he’s now a hopeless dead White “racist.”
https://donaldjeffries.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-second-amendment

 

absolutely correct. the gun banners who claim the second amendment doesn't prevent the federal government from banning citizens OWNING or POSSESSING firearms cannot cite a single founder who supports that completely wrong interpretation. the best they can do is pretend that "keep and bear" not only does not encompass "own or possess" but the founders intended that KEEP AND BEAR was intentionally worded to EXCLUDE own and possess

 

Golly!
Thanks for that wholly unresponsive copy and paste.
It contributes nothing at all.

 

You’re welcome.

 

sure seems more relevant to the silly gifs that clutter up some posts

 

Here's a suggestion.
If you have nothing to say, say that.
From you, that would be a welcome change for all.

 

Now let’s stay on topic.

Up thread someone asked about what the Founders said about the 2A. Out of the kindness of my cold heart, I felt obliged to answer. That’s all.

 

My response wasn't to @gipper

It was to some guy who thinks he's his own source.

 

your post was very informative and pretty well nuked his nonsense that the founders didn't intend an individual right. I am still trying to figure out what support he has brought for his argument

 

can you show us a valid point you have made on this topic.

you failed to answer the question of whether the founders actually intended federal gun control
you failed to understand that Keep and Bear includes Own and Possess and that there is not a single shred of evidence that the founders DID NOT want an individual right protected
You failed to deal with the fact that "the people" as used in the second amendment references an individual right as it does in other amendments
you constantly misrepresented my position by claiming that I said that states have no gun control power

AND YES I CITED MY PREVIOUS posts do show your claims were false concerning my OWN POSITION

 

I pointed out that
your "source," yourself, is laughably inaccurate and unreliable.
your belief that the authors of the Constitution did in fact understand the Difference between "People" and "Person," a concept that, as the OP shows, eludes your tiny grasp.

Your "expertise," isn't and your premise is just plain silly.

What more is needed?

 

you appear confused

1) you incorrectly made claims concerning my positions
2) I edified you of my actual positions and to PROVE my positions, I cited prior posts of mine that I made LONG before you ever appeared in any gun thread I have posted on to prove I have been consistent
3) you seem unable to understand that point so I am explaining it again.

 

Not confused and not denying what is in writing. that is you.

 

well lets review another instance where I proved you didn't respond to what I wrote

Here I asked you where the federal government was delegated any power in the CONSTITUTION or the BILL OF RIGHTS to interfere with owning arms or keep certain arms

You COMPLETELY IGNORED that point and instead evaded by referring ONLY TO THOSE IN MILITARY SERVICE (NOT private citizens)

When I pointed that out-you ignored me once again and cited a Supreme court that created new federal powers by pretending that the commerce clause was an end around the second and tenth amendments. and fails to answer where Congress gets the power to regulate what people actually own and possess

I think this should establish the veracity of my assessments of your evasions

 

Look at that...He uses himself to establish his veracity....He is just toooooo Cute.
tell you what...

 

why not just admit you were wrong. The only purpose in me citing years old posts was to prove my consistency and that you deliberately misstated my consistent position

 

Bro, the US is not the Leviathan.

Go read Locke, not Hobbes.

 

1) Wickard v Filburn is bad law and should be overturned.
2) You do understand we make them at home right? And yeah all 50 states have some machineshop selling firearms ffs. Its not a ******ned aircraft carrier.
https://commons.stmarytx.edu/cgi/vi..., this article finds,of how they are acquired.

 

Did you (rhetorical question) note that the court in the 1939 Miller case just assumed that the federal government had the power to impose a de facto Ban on NFA weapons, and the only issue is whether the second prevented that? That was a few years before the Wickard abomination was dropped on America

 

Yes it is. The US is a dying empire. We’re watching it die before our eyes.

As all warmongering empires die, the US is following the historical pattern. Massive indebtedness with a massive military, yet it’s incompetent. Wars nonstop. Millions living in or near poverty. Unbelievable income inequality. Unjust legal system. Huge prison population. Border wide open with millions pouring. Fiat currency. Many of the world’s nations turning away from it or opposing it. Tyranny rapidly increasing at home. Government ignores the rule of law.

It has much in common with the fall of Rome. Forget about Locke and Hobbes. Read Edward Gibbon.

 

I didn't say it was good law. I said it is law.
and
Some guy with drill press in his basement is not a firearms manufacturing facility. Point me to a licensed facility with a manufacturing capacity exceeding 500 units per day, one in every state.