Is the US achieving our objectives in Ukraine?

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Is the US achieving our objectives?

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  2. Yes but at a greater cost and a longer time frame

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  3. No, we don't seem to be getting very far

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  4. No, we are actually losing

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  5. No, we need more help from NATO

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  6. No, we are likely to get into a war in the Middle East and one against China

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  7. It's too early to say

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In Ukraine in Feb 2022 Ukraine had a NATO trained and armed
    army of 680,000 troops, and Russia had next to Ukraine an
    army of between 160,000 and 170,000 troops.

    An ex CIA officer (Larry Johnson IIRC) stated the CIA estimated
    if the Russian forces moved in it would be eliminated within 45 days.

    I'm not sure why that didn't go as planned because the Ukrainian
    troops have shown courage and initiative, and the weapons have been
    allegedly equal to the Russian weapons, which it is claimed were
    outdated.

    I can only ask how things are going so far and if the US and the rest
    of NATO should continue the war?
     
  2. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There has been a claim made that if we don't stop Russia in
    Ukraine then they will go all the way to Berlin or to France.

    I don't know what evidence there is for that, though I'm pretty
    sure if Russia doesn't want NATO on their border with Ukraine
    then they don't want in on their border with the Balkan states
    either, or with Georgia.

    It is interesting that Pres. Putin for the first 22 years as President
    was mainly involved in improvements inside Russia and has
    only more recently become involved in giving warnings about
    encroachment next to the Russian border. And has repeatedly
    offered terms of negotiation and reached a proposed agreement
    with Ukraine on Apr 1 2022 in Turkey.

    I can't see any evidence of the 'Napoleon syndrome' so many
    are banding around.
     
  3. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The actual objective as stated by both NATO and the State Department was
    to 'bleed Russia white'. upload_2024-5-1_12-10-20.png
    quotations on that are getting hard to find.

    There had to be an aim other than just having a war in Ukraine, and that was
    to weaken Russia, destroy Putin's reputation, produce regime change, and
    gain free trade with Russia.

    Here is an article that the war is successfully weakening Russia:

    upload_2024-5-1_12-10-20.png Ukraine War is weakening Russia.png

    The Moscow Times has been located in Amsterdam since 2022
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nope! UKRAINE is achieving our objectives. We will remain deep in their debt for decades.

    You are confused. The US and the rest of NATO are not at war. And we can also thank Ukraine for that.
     
  5. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

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    :roflol: What is "our" objectives? You got a mouse in your pocket?
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    We don't owe Ukraine ****. They wouldn't exist right now if not for The United States. They owe us.
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I would say initially yes. The purpose of the war (from the American perspective) was to keep the war going to ensnare Russia in a quagmire and degrade the Russian military and weaken Russia. That seemed to be the case for the first part of the war but seems to be not as much of the case now. Russia has been rebuilding it's military and has established links with suppliers. I suppose you could argue the war is still a quagmire but I think that's more the case for Ukraine and not Russia.
     
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  8. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The war is taking resources and labor away in Russia that would otherwise
    be improving the country, so it is succeeding even though we aren't winning.

    The same as US sanctions harm Cuba and lots of other countries our
    leaders regard as being competitors.
     

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