Is there evidence for 'The New World Order' ? Or; The dragon cometh.

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  1. RevAnarchist

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    The Dragon cometh...

    Short version i.e. the talking point. Is there enough evidence* to conclude the OWO is credible? Or that the creation of the OWO is in the works and that substantial components are being discussed implemented etc? Or is the OWO just a fabrication or nutty paranoid types, or something in between the two extremes?

    * even if the evidence is of the circumstantial varity? One World Government or Order

    I can hear the moans and groans from the naive and well, those that I consider terminally ignorant as they read the title of my thread. Dude, igorance and naivety is forgivable and fixable, stupid ain't. With stupid in mind ***~ hark ! I hear the laughing from the stupids now, Ha ha, lol...oops.

    (a little levity never hurts eh?)

    The very long version the thing is over 10,000 'bytes' long. I had to shorten it!


    The dragon cometh

    The topic is the coming one world Government. It's claimed to be everything the from earths citizens voluntarily voting to elect a benign benevolent leader and accept a World wide government that will result in an utopia. The other end of the spectrum has the worlds people being forced by a leader with supernatural powers* and a desire to set himself up as God on earth ie Jesus or a Jesus like leader. Soon after seizing power he shows his true colors of evil and darkness, as a brutal dictator that enforces totalitarian control and demands to be worshiped as a ‘God‘ Jesus?

    To refuse to worship the 'dragon (the beast) is to invite death by beheading. To refuse the mark of this leader and or government will result in those without the mark, card implant tattoo etc will be unable to buy anything or to sell anything. In other words unless they are thieves they will starve. Verse that may interest Christians and those curious about prophesy and related stuff listed in footnotes. In case anyone is wondering about the obvious, my eschatological view posterist. (ie the belief that the events mentioned in the biblical book of ‘Revelations’ and related scripture have NOT occurred yet). Preterist is the opposite.

    I happen to desperately hope for a utopia, however according to my belief system (religion) it is going to be a world wide nightmare led by the mentioned dictatorial antichrist type in the biblical 666 scenario'. Of course the biblical similarities etc are my personal opinion and I urge the reader to arrive at their own conclusions. However if the reader is Christian or spiritual see footnotes for scriptural material on the subject.

    Why do I even believe a OWG is being implemented as I type this? Evidence! Such as the fact that enough world leaders have mentioned a one world order so many times and that they have participated in so many pro OWO events the theory is more of a given than not. The only thing I wonder about is the degree of participation those involved. So lastly and mercifully the talking point is; Do detailed plans, ie written stored published or stashed away in a safe exist? Is the above already being implemented? If no detailed plans are being excuted, is there groups of powerful and rich that agree to assist each other by using power or wealth to promote OWO friendly creation such as legislation , funding or just a blank check etc to lay a pre foundation for a future world order? Or is it total bunk? Please explain your assessments claims and poison font replies etc.

    footnotes ; One world government and related scripture; Amos 1:1-15 ESV, Numbers 14:18 ESV, Ephesians 6:10-17 ESV, 1 Thessalonians 5:4 ESV , 2 Peter 2:15 , Luke 9:25 ESV, John 14:6 ESV, Psalm 2:1-12 ESV, Matthew 24:1-51 ESV , Revelation 13:16-18 ESV, Daniel ESV. BTW I prefer the KJV of the bible but ESV is easier for some without losing the quintessence of the message.

    Comments by the rich and powerful propoents of the OWO;

    Ahmadinejad (President of Iran)
    Iran and Syria will create a new world order.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/ahmadinejad-iran-and-syria-will-create-a-new-world-order-1.260993

    Henry Kissinger
    Obama primed to create "New World Order"

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85442

    David Rockefeller
    We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time

    Magazine and their great publications whose directors have attended

    our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost

    forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan

    for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity

    during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and

    prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational

    sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely

    preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past

    centuries.
    http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/david_rockefeller_

    George Bush Sr.
    We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for

    future generations a new world order…. When we are successful, and we

    will be, we have a real chance at this new world order. An order in

    which a credible United Nations can use its peace keeping role to

    fulfill the promise and vision of the UN’s founders

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110&safe=activ

    e#

    Al Gore
    Climate bill will help bring about global governance....But it is the

    awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it

    will drive the change is through global governance and global

    agreements.

    http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/al-gore-climate-change-issu

    e-can-lead-to-world-government/

    Barack Hussein Obama
    All nations must come together to build a stronger global regime.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKb2TBUqpCQ&feature=player_embedded
    French President Chirac
    said during a speech at The Hague that the UN’s Kyoto Protocol

    represented “the first component of an authentic global governance.

    For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of

    global governance.”

    http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/al-gore-climate-change-issu

    e-can-lead-to-world-government/

    Strobe Talbott
    Deputy Secretary of State under Bill Clinton
    In the next century (now), nations as we know it will be obsolete; all

    states will recognize a single global authority and realize national

    sovereignty wasn’t such a great deal after all.
    http://www.worldbeyondborders.org/globalnation.htm

    Mikhail Gorbachev
    Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for

    universal consensus in the movement towards a new world order.
    http://www.lafayette.edu/about/news/2011/10/20/mikhail-gorbachev-says-

    uprisings-signal-an-emerging-new-world-order/

    Robert Kennedy
    All of us will ultimately be judged on the effort we have contributed

    to building a New World Order.
    http://www.examiner.com/x-15871-Little-Rock-Christianity-Examiner~y200

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    UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown
    We need a global New Deal -- a grand bargain between the countries and

    continents of this world.
    http://www.examiner.com/x-15871-Little-Rock-Christianity-Examiner~y200

    9m7d6-Is-the-New-World-Order-just-around-the-corner-part-1

    Nelson Mandela
    The new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation

    of a world democracy, peace and prosperity for all.
    http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/assembly/or-mand.html

    George McGovern
    I would support a presidential candidate who pledged to take the

    following steps… at the end of the war in the Persian Gulf, press for

    a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a new world order based

    not upon a Pax Americana, but on peace through law with a stronger

    U.N. and World Court.
    http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/george_mcgovern_quote_d0bc

    George Bush Sr.
    If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand

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    Robert Mueller
    Humanist and Former Assistant Attorney General of U.N.
    We must move as quickly as possible to a one-world government,

    one-world religion, under a one-world leader.
    http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/oneworldchurch.htm

    Pope John Paul II
    More than ever, we need a new international order that draws on the

    experience and results achieved in these years by the United Nations.

    It would be able to provide solutions to the problems of today...

    based on the dignity of human beings, an integrated development of

    society, solidarity between rich and poor nations, and on the sharing

    of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and

    technological progress.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion

    strengthen the United Nations as a

    first step toward a world government patterned after our own

    government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to

    enforce its international laws and keep the peace," he said. "To do

    that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our

    sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of

    courage, a lot of faith in the new order. Pat Robertson has written in

    a book a few years ago that we should have a world government, but

    only when the Messiah arrives. He wrote, literally, any attempt to

    achieve world order before that time must be the work of the devil.

    Well, join me. I'm glad to sit here at the right hand of Satan.
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104399

    http://commieblaster.com/images/nwo/new-world-order.jpg



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  2. wakeupamarica90

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    I found the writings from the New Order of Barbarians here broke up into 3 pages, it makes for easier reading with paragraphs. Description of what the New Order of Barbarians is. And I must say it is SHOCKING how accurate it is and how much of this has already happened!

    Part ONE Editorial Note: This is a transcript of the first of three tapes on the "New Order of Barbarians", referred to on the tapes simply as the "new world system." Tapes one and two, done in 1988, are the reminiscences By Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, of a speech given March 20, 1969 by Dr. Richard Day, an insider of the "Order", whose credentials are given in an interview with Dr. Dunegan on tape three.

    The moderator in the final taped interview with Dr. Dunegan is Randy Engel, National Director, US Coalition for Life. It's interesting to note that Dr. Dunegan "spilled the beans" in 1988. According to the bio information, Dr. Day died shortly thereafter, in 1989. It could be a coincidence since Dr. Day was elderly when he died, and then again....

    Most of you reading this are very well aware, already, of many of the details involved in the diabolical plan to bring about a New World Order. As much as we all know, hearing about the "HOW" from the words of an insider is spine chilling. I believe these tapes COULD change many lives and awaken many more people to the REALITY of what lies ahead if we don't stop the process. There are many more millions of US than there are the planners. The useful idiots – their words, not ours – who are helping the process along know NOT what they do. If they DID know, they would stop, because they would KNOW that they, too, will be either terminated or become part of a GLOBAL SLAVE CAMP.

    Dr. Dugegan reveals not just "WHAT" is intended for America and all people in the world, but "HOW" the controllers intend to carry out their plan.

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/nobarbarians1.htm The New Order of the Barbarians part 1

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/nobarbarians2.htm The New Order of the Barbarians part 2

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/nobarbarians3.htm The New Order of the Barbarians part 3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjc4ywQVHEQ You can listen to all 3 tapes right here

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Illuminati/quotes_on_the_new_world_order.htm Quotes on the New World Order and an explanation of what the New World Order is toward the bottom of the page.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...merican-should-know-about-the-federal-reserve 10 things EVERYONE should know about the Federal Reserve.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVMyH8eOHKs 9/11 The Road to Tyranny, a film by Alex Jones

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Operation Northwoods

    http://www.infowars.com/none-dare-ca...es-now-online/ None Dare Call It Conspiracy is an 8 chapter book that you can read on this site. It is very interesting and informative in exposing the New World Order.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao MK Ultra

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Ic_OvIPtU&feature=player_embedded Short video here worth watching. The Madness of a Lost Society

    http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/#...ouse_statement

    John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

    Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population


    Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

    The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

    These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

    • Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
    • The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
    • Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
    • People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
    • A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

    http://www.amazon.com/Impact-Science.../dp/041510906X The Impact of Science on Society

    The Impact of Science on Society, by Sir Bertrand Russell - a Nobel
    Prize in Literature, and son of Viscount Amberley, and grandson of
    the Duke of Bedford, who was Prime Minister for Queen Victoria - is
    a work astonishingly ahead of its time, for its 1952 publishing
    date. The most important is the so-called Lloyd Roberts Lecture,
    given at the Royal Society of Medicine, London, on Nov 29, 1949,
    included as the last chapter. overall book.

    This work should be required reading in education programs
    world-wide, as it crystalizes from a philosophical and rational
    point of view, world events from the past several hundred years, in
    view of better understanding today's world, and what is to follow
    suit next.

    Who better than Russell, demonstrating a very advanced ability in
    mental gymnastics, digesting entire libraries of literature in that
    process and laying out his analysis of the World, and Man's place in
    it, and the Future, in 140 pages? This is done entertainingly,
    fluidly for readers, with a personal touch.

    This work should be purchased and studied by all, because of the
    conclusions adopted by the elite of the world, of which the author
    and his audience were members.

    Everyone should understand that there is an urgency among the elite
    to create a One-World government, for various reasons. First, this
    is needed to contain nationalist and imperialist urges in various
    regions of the world by having a One-World Military.

    Secondly, the single government is required to curtail population
    growth, in face of limited agricultural production and resources.
    The author warns that if the West cannot achieve this in India,
    China, Russia, the free world will be overrun militarily,
    economically by those populations in the UK, USA and Europe from an
    over-populated Asia. I should note that Mao Tse Tung created a
    famine, in China, resulting in as many as 38 million (yes, 38!)
    casualties from starvation, in the 20 years following the
    publication of this book.

    Thirdly, raw materials (oil, copper, tin, uranium, etc.) will need
    to be rationed and controlled by a One-World government, as they are
    finite in quantity. In the past 5 years, oil has risen in multiples
    to over $100 per barrel, copper and resources have risen and
    mega-acquisitions from Asian and Russian government owned companies
    of Canadian and US producers, commonplace.

    Fourth, with Darwin on his side, and Malthus, Russell clarifies that
    the One World Government, will use scientific methods to cut down
    the population, to be carried out explicitly or behind the scenes,
    (if birth control is rejected for religious reasons), such as new
    twists on the Black Plague (Avian Flu, perhaps?), or contrived world
    conflicts r intentional waves of starvation on a global scale,
    (pp.129). Unchecked, population numbers destablize a science-based,
    prosperous and every-increasing good quality of life. Conversely,
    hungry citizens can cause recessions by only buying scarce and
    expensive food items, withholding consumption of other items from
    their discretionary income, pulling down the economy.

    Next, Russell warns against a USA that is export-only based, since
    it impoverishes the World. We've seen, accordingly, that the USA has
    shown astonishingly high import/export account deficits for the past
    30 years, and the manufacturing sector is practically gone
    domestically, as the majority of products consumed in USA are now
    imported, distributing the wealth globally, as Russell recommends.

    As well, taming of natural urges and self-determination is necessary
    among school children on a massive scale (Ritalin ?), and violent
    nationalist propaganda banned in all schools. Russel also opposes
    fanatical creeds being shown to citizens (the Middle East ?)

    Russel underlines that either citizens submit to international
    authority (so-called Reason) or they will perish and die (pp.96.)

    As well, Russell believes that 95% of males and 70% of females are
    liekly to be sterilized, so that the elite can use "scientific
    breeding" (pp.66) mainly among the totalitarian governments who will
    misuse a science for their own purposes, mainly imperialistic.

    With non-elected governments, Russell suggests that scentific
    societies will impose a special diet and injections into the body of
    babies and children under 10 to shape their characters into the
    desired citizens that are needed. Through special preparing,
    rewarding, and manipulating psychological makeups of humans (through
    mental conditioning in schools) critiques of authority, or of those
    in power will be impossible, as will be non-desirable thoughts and
    behaviors.

    In sum, the author must be congratulated for holding back little if
    nothing at all to readers, and for giving them his sincere personal
    conclusions with a litany of explanations on how those were arrived
    at.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQa1Px8efy8 The government uses, X boxes, TV's, dishwashers, etc. to spy on its citizens.

    http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Utah-spy-center-update/_GzoqG_rl0aWToohDMfHHQ.cspx

    BLUFFDALE, Utah (ABC 4 News) - The National Security Administration is construction a $1.2 billion data center at Camp W.G Williams National Guard Post.

    The one million square-foot facility is the largest U.S. Department of Defense project in the nation.

    It has been under construction for a little more than a year as the progress is obvious several buildings are rising from the dust as crews work to construct the center.

    Some are touting the "spy center" to be the most advanced of its kind in the world. "If we were number 1 in the world with out spy situation I think that's great," said Gary Bolton.

    Supercomputers will fill 100,000 square feet of space. What those computers will do is classified, but one top official said they will be used to "find, fix and kill the enemy." "Utah is really advanced as far as collecting and processing information so I'm no surprised they would be build something like that in here," said Lydia Goldina.

    A "wired magazine" article published last March reports the super computers will collect, sift and store billions of email messages and phone calls from within the United States and around the world. "It feels to me a lot more like they're just spying on us rather than terrorism," said Joshua Jessop. "I don't like the idea of invasion of privacy and now they're going to be to watch everything we do," Jessop continued.

    This center will have its own water supply, sewage treatment plant and because it will draw 5 megawatts of power it will have its own substation.

    The data center is scheduled to be up and running September of 2013.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJFHx5iU7Rk RFID tags and microchips for humans.

    http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/...ld-you-indefinitely-without-trial-senate-says

    Connect the dots: Why this bill and why now? Members of the House and Senate who represent the 1% wealthiest corporate elite (primarily the industrial oil and military oligarchs), know that the people's approval ratings of Congress are down to 7%. They see uprisings taking place here and abroad-so what do they do? They write laws that allow them to arrest American citizens as if we were in the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. This is particularly disconcerting for the OWS protesters because they could easily make the protesters against the oil wars and oil drilling projects the "enemy" or "persons of interest". We-the citizens of the United States of America-can be defined under this threatening NDAA provision as "insurgents" to be arrested by the military at any time, any place, without our constitutional protections. If you think the police have been rough with the protesters, imagine military tanks and soldiers on the scene-for that is exactly what the Levin-McCain provision legally proposes: it replaces our Justice system with military law enforced by the military, it replaces your civil liberties with Martial Law i.e. no constitutional legal protections at all.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

    Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a secretive "scenario and drill" developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of National Emergency". The plan states events causing such a declaration would be widespread U.S. opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad, such as if the United States were to directly invade Central America.[1][2][3][4][5] To combat what the government perceived as "subversive activities", the plan also authorized the military to direct ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ 2 minute video on REX 84
     
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    The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control...Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent. (Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976) In 1981 Congressmen McDonald calls for comprehensive congressional investigation of the CFR and Trilateral Commission. Congress is urged to investigate these organizations. Congressman McDonald was killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets in 1983
     
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    1993 December 20. George Bush was knighted by the Queen on as a Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honorable Order of the Bath. This was for his leadership in the Gulf War, when he sent American solders to die for England's interest of their petroleum in Kuwait. Order Of The Garter.
     
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    I found more evidence in my living room this morning! I found a silver collectible spoon made in 1890. On the spoon it says "90" Pan American with a globe showing north and south America and a lion standing on top of the world and the word exposition under the globe. This picture is a clear sign of England (the lion) being above or ruling over the Americas. It was made by the American sovenir co. Exposition meaning an idea or theory. This idea or theory came halfway true after the bankruptcy of the United States in 1950. It can be seen in the court rooms across America with the gold around the American flag signifying we are under British maritime jurisdiction and Admiralty law.
     
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    It's simple to not only realize but recognize it for what it is - who has been at the forefront of power on the globe for the last 50-60 years? The West lead by the United States who is the de facto world superpower. There are Non-Westerners that are among the power elite. Basically, it's people that can throw a lot of money or bodies at a problem or to further their agenda.
     
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    I think there is a disconnect between brain and mouth. Or maybe they are brainwashed believing their own states propaganda? Or maybe they are fascists of a national socialists species or or another kind of unknown political critter that convince them to hate the west and everything it holds dear, such as Christianity? If you blindly lash out at the above (i.e. the west and everything in it, or what it stands for) yes I am 'speaking' of YOU. Being a spiritual person, i.e. an ZOTC minister i.e. an Zionist Open Theist Christian minister, specifically, I am convinced most of you are influenced in varying degrees with the above afflictions also suffer 'satanic possession' that influence every decision made. in different degrees influenced to varying degrees. In any case yes the west has dominated the word because we, ie the west ie the USA carry within us and our political system the same kind of power, and hold the same blessing that God gave Israel. We are here to protect Israel and its the only reason other than our 78% + Christian citizenship that we dominate the world.

    However that said Snake and the haters here at PF (i.e. the usual suspects) are somewhat right. Christianity is declining while Islam is gaining members, not by much but enough to notice. Still, the bad news for atheist haters is that Islam a highly spiritual and deity worshiping religion worships God. God for Christians and the world and the majority of Muslims are moderates (just saying). What I am getting around to is that anyone with a brain should be happy the USA does rule not a Stalinist Russia or a Paul pot like Japan (yes I know he was not Japanese), or a National Hitlerized fascist Europe. Personally I don't trust or love or even respect the leaders of the USA. As bad as they are, still they are a vast improvement over anything else I see.

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    There have always been "New World Orders"... Think Alexander, Napoleon, Cyrus etc... with each successive empire..

    And BTW.. its Pol Pot not Paul Pot.
     
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    You have sold out to The Man. You sold out the day you were born. You sold out the day you wanted that toy that all the other kids at school had. You had to have it too. You sold out the day you saw that TV commercial and wanted what they were selling. You sold out to The Man. You sold out the day that you spent your allowance to go see that movie. You know, the one with that guy. He was so cool. Guess what. He's a sellout too. He sold his soul to make that movie. He sold out to The Man for fame and fortune and a limo and a hot tub. The guy that drives his limo is a sellout too. He sold out to pander to celebrity. He whored himself out to The Man and The Man's system of synthetic hierarchy so he could kiss the feet of another sellout. Everyone that bought a ticket to that guy's movie was a sellout. Everyone that saw the movie that bought one of the corporate sodas they were selling in the theater lobby sold out twice as much. The kids that worked in that theater sold out to The Man too. They spent the greatest years of their lives letting The Man pimp them so they could earn The Man's dollar so they could go spend it on The Man's clothes, shoes, music and so-called entertainment. What a viscious circle. It's a cage. He has you under his thumb. All of you.
     
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    You are a true brainwashed American. Thank God he forgives ignorance. We all should be thankful for that. One man's truth is another man's propaganda, the Bible you preach from wasn't even available to read for the common folk 300 years ago. The bible has invoked hate in people that pretend to have a divine interpretation of it. How many people did the Christian's kill verses Christians killed? (Hitler was a Christian) I'm positive you don't know the number of people killed by Christians, but I am sure you have a number for killed Christians. We see what we want to see. I choose to want to see as much as possible no matter how disturbing it may be. Christians are narrow minded and only see what they are brainwashed to see. Your support for the west is mis-guided. You believe that those nice people on T.V. are always telling you the truth, almost like you are reading from the bible. Really a God fearing person would separate themselves from the Government's of the world. You are trying to teach people that the west is good and Israel is good. Do you really want the responsibility of being a teacher. Are you omni present? Do you witness every deed those two countries commit? I think not. Jesus walked the earth to teach people how to live as God intended. Christians are so far away from these teachings I don't know how they can even say they are Christians and feel good about it. They are the most judgemental people I have ever met. BTW judgemental society's are being controlled by that method. (Example) "Billy was teasing Kate about going to church, I don't think I'm going to church this weekend" Another example of this can be seen in your post I quoted in bold letters.
     
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    Another; The Roman Empire...However, this is the only time in history where a 'true' one world government a one world order could successfully control or if they wanted to enslave, practically every citizen.

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    Yes the USA is a pawn sometimes a good pawn sometimes a bad pawn.

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    More of a means to an end than a pawn.
     
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    This is a complete opposite of the OP. In the OP you are wondering about people's involvement in the OWO. Then you move to defend the Godless people with this post. You are brain dead and now you are ignored.
     
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    You might make a good debate partner if you would lose the insults and learn more about the subject you attempt to criticize. 'Apocalyptic' is a literary form of biblical writing! Here don't trust me maybe you will trust the much more unreliable web and complete strangers! Anyway;www.britannica.com

    apocalyptic literature, literary genre that foretells supernaturally inspired cataclysmic events that will transpire at the end of the world.

    So you think I am a cult leader eh? No, I do teach the bible and only what is in the bible. I teach if you want to be a Christian you must accept Jesus as your lord and savior and repent for your sins. That's the core message of the new testament, the rest is gravy. A cult leader/teacher can be discovered easily enough, they set themselves up as god often and teach from their own book!. My church and its doings (which are rare) sometimes get bad press by being highly unorthodox etc but its all bible teaching. So no, my church and its teachings are no cult and teach no cult doctrine. If I happen to believe a certain bit of the bible has been corrupted etc and so I may interpret the corrupted scripture differently I always post a disclaimer relating that its my personal opinion.

    ?

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    :roflol: teenage rebellion? I did just a tiny bit of research on your church or beliefs, so I can't really speak of that. But what I can talk about is your words. In the OP you ask is there evidence? People post some evidence, and then you come in and insult people and defend the criminals in America and Israel. So I just exposed your agenda to take the focal point off the true evil in the world. When I say America I speak of its leaders not the brainwashed population. I was the brainwashed population at one point. You still are if you defend them in God's name. Thinking that the leaders of America hold your Christian way of life near and dear is a total sham and you know it. But your brainwashed and can't get past it.
     
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    I do not insult anyone if they do not start it by out of the blue insulting me or what I love first. If you think differnt show the quote your cred is low with me.

    Again your words hold low credibility. Show me with a quote and I will either defend myself or agree with you.

    No you and I disagree on what is evil and what isn't. I think the Palestinians that harbor Hamas terrorists are evil you think Israel is evil.

    I have some bad news for you, lol!

    The bible defends Israel so sorry I do not go against the creator of the universe.

    Its common sense for our leaders to do that what most Christians want. We have 70% of the vote. So again the bad news is not that I am brainwashed its that you are, or something even worse.

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    Ok you obviously think I care if I carry any "cred" with you. (I don't) here are your insults for one.
     
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    Yes we do. Ashkenazi Jews are not the Semites you believe them to be, however Palestinian's are from the blood of Abraham.

    Israel or the Israelite's. You can not call them the same. You can because you are brainwashed but those that know better scoff at the same brainwashed propaganda they have been preaching for 300 years. As I said I don't waste time on the brainwashed. You can feel like you have won the debate if it makes you feel better. You are hopeless and we could go back and forth til we are blue in the face, and I don't care enough about you to waste that much of my life on exposing another brainwashed Christian. "Israel is God Chosen people" :roflol: you really should try reading the book it may have a clue in the back of it about those that call themselves Jews but are not.....

    Only a brainwasher would spout such lies. Or are you that brain dead??? So Christian's want gay marriage? Abortion??? The death penalty??? They have been taking God out of everything. They are doing what you want??? Oh my you are, totally lost.
     
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    It is estimated that in the 11th century Ashkenazi Jews composed only three percent of the world's Jewish population, while at their peak in 1931 they accounted for 92 percent of the world's Jews.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
     
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    B'nai B'rith is an anti-christian jewish masonic lodge. They have a high rank in the Illuminati structure and they operate under several fronts.
     
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    According to the official Billy Graham Evangelistic Assocaiation webpage Billy Graham recieved the
    "The Torch of Liberty Plaque by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, 1969"
    Remembering that the main definition of Masonry as being 'Freemasonry is a peculiar system of Morality, veiled in Allegory, and illustrated by Symbols' , we will examine the occult significance of the term 'Torch of Liberty' and it's possible meaning to the 'enlightened' of the Illuminati.

    Research taken from the book called "Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated" states the following about the torch symbol:

    Many of the gods and godesses of mythology carried torches. Some of these are: Hecata (the "Queen of the Witches"), Comus, Eros, Hymenaeus (or Hymen), Apollo, Ilithyia, Eos (or Aurora), Iakchaos & Phosphorus (who is also called Lucifer)

    Listen to what occultist Edouard Schure says about Lucifer and his flaming torch:
    "Lucifer, having regained his star and his diadem, will assemble his legions for new works of creation. Attracted by his flaming torch, celestial spirits will descend...and he will send these messengers from unknown spheres to earth. Then the torch of Lucifer will signal 'From Heaven to Earth!'- and the...Christ will answer 'From Earth to Heaven!"

    Hardcore Luciferian, 33rd Degree Freemason, Core Illuminati figure Manly Palmer Hall states that "the torches represent the Occult arts and sciences, the doctrines and dogmas by the light of which Truth is made visible."
     
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    …8'I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-- I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.…
     
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    Where are my insults? I dont see them
    ...

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