Is this offensive to feminism?

Oh wow, don’t put that on me. I am for free speech. Extremist Muslims are not. Short of rounding up every Muslim and gassing them, I’m to sure how to solve this issue.

Modifying the Joan story isn’t mocking Christians. Every remake of a historical figure has inaccuracies. And?

 

then don't act like getting murdered is just a consequence of free speech.

so you think Jenna side is a solution to your hypocrisy?

Help me understand the sense you're trying to make.

I don't care about your opinion. It really has no bearing on this if a Christian felt that it was mocking them and they murdered the people that made this well that's just the consequence of talking about it right it works that way for Islam don't you see the hypocrisy yet?

 

I don't know exactly what "non-binary" is supposed to mean, and the short blurb of the OP article, was not enlightening, on that definition. Is this now a term that everyone, is assumed, should know? I think I tapped out, as far as what I felt compelled to know, after "cis-gender."

While I, of course, could go research this, on my own, I thought I would first ask you, since it is your thread, and you use the term, yourself. Does it basically mean, to not be locked into either gender? If so, it seems more a new terminology, than a new thing: just a new name for what appears, to those on the outside-- though I realize this term relates much more to a person's inner reality-- as androgyny.

 

I care what you have to say on some subjects, but not others. I did not know before I read your post, what you had to say about my post that you quoted. On this topic, I listen to educated medical professionals who deal with gender dysphoria, instead of you. They think you are full of it.

 

But, deep down, at least, I hope you understand that this unwarranted belief in your own omniscient powers-- or mind-reading abilities, if you prefer-- is nothing but your delusion...(?)

 

if you don't care what I think about something why are you trying so hard to convince me that you don't care?

Your behavior doesn't match up with your words.

Why do you need to tell me this?

Just do it and don't worry about me. You don't have to tell me because it doesn't matter.

I think you're saying this to try and get me to shut up.

And the only reason you would do that is because I'm seeing things that come off as factual about gender ideology and it's dangerous to what you wish to believe.

Otherwise if you really trusted these experts and my words meant nothing they wouldn't mean anything and you wouldn't have to tell me stuff like this.

If you don't care then please stop caring watching you struggle with this is not something I find amusing.

 

Non responsive to the topic, or any of my replies. Per your usual.

 

They do tend to be more violent than Christians overall. But when you're posting anonymously on a message board I don't think that becomes much of an issue

 

I’m having a hard time understanding where you are coming from, honestly. I have a supremely difficult time understanding why anyone would want to Murder anyone over art. I can’t wrap my head around it. It is what it is.

Extremists of all stripes are dangerous, but none more dangerous than a butthurt Muslim extremist. How do you recommend we fix that? Ban all art that may be offensive to anyone?

 

Tend to be? When is the last time a Christian murdered an artist over supposed offensive art?

 

I'm sure it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. But in terms of the objectivity required for successful person-to-person communication, its defined as:

Definition of nonbinary
: not binary: such as
a: not restricted to two things or partsnonbinary voting
b: of, relating to, or being a system of numbers that does not use 2 as its basenonbinary math
c: relating to or being a person who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that is neither entirely male nor entirely female
Nonbinary Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

It seems to me the play is thus attempting to suggest that Joan of Arc's prowess as a leader in battle (or, perhaps, of battle, as I don't think she's known for having fought much in the physical sense, not that it really matters- most leaders in battle don't) means that she wasn't (or didn't identify as) 'entirely female' as if fighting for ones country is only for men, and thus Joan of Arc must have been more 'manly.' That seems to me more like a promotion of traditional gender role stereotypes, just as much as it would be to suggest that men who cook and clean are 'less manly.'

 

I think you're struggling with the hypocrisy of your viewpoint.

Why would you act like being murdered was just common consequence for free speech regarding Muhammad?

I think it's because you've been desensitized. You've come to expect intolerance from Islam and therefore it's okay because it's what you expect.

No leave the hypocrisy at the door. Hold this lock into the same standard.

Don't act like getting murdered is just an expected consequence. Be disgusted by it as though it was a Christian extremist blowing up planned Parenthood. You know be consistent rather than biased.

As an example I think what planned Parenthood does is truly despicable. That being said anybody that walks in there to set off bonds and hurt people is infinitely more condemned in my view. I don't make special considerations for people in groups based on whether or not we agree on the principle.

 

Oh, Polydectes, you are such a stitch! Reading you go off on @btthegreat , I cannot help but picture a pro wrestler, dressed in some spandex costume, addressing his rival in what are meant to be bellows, but are coming out, as whines.

That is a real shame, because your unpunctuated rant, or whatever we call this, is damn amusing.


I mean, that could be a line in a song: If you don't care/ then PLEASE stop caring...

(or, alternately: If you don't care then--/PLEASE, stop Caring!)


It reminds me of the classic, partial phrases, in some tunes, that get broken up, by a pause in the vocal line. For example, at the start of Eddie Money's "Take Me Home Tonight"--

"I feel the hun-ger--/ it's a hunger
(that tries to keep a man awake, at night)."



Anyway, keep on rockin'!

 

This seems to be an indication the way you get respect for your religion is murder people for mocking it.

It's an attitude like that that breeds extremism it's the only thing you respect is extremism then how can you be angry if people engage in it?

 

I was being generous because not all Muslims are violent. But they sure do have more of a percentage of extremists in their ranks.

But the people are so vehemently opposed to religion to the point that it's evident that they hate it they should have no fear in speaking up. Especially anonymously on the internet

 

I am in no way happy about it. You are trying to hold me to a position I don’t hold. I always condemn violence. Always.

I have no idea how to prevent extremists from being extreme. I know I don’t want to ban all art because a certain type of art sends crazy people into a murderous frenzy. Do you?

 

but Islamic extremists do extort respect from you. You don't dare speak truth to their power. That's not bravery.

well that's not that complicated. Don't respect them. Speak truth to them.

If they threatened to kill you request that your country not sit around and say we can't do anything about it because then we'll be racist or islamophobic.

To pretend that that's Islam is to say they are all that way.

Why is the only solution you can come up with the one that promotes extremism?

You fight extremism with Force. A way to accomplish that is not to ever referred to as anyone that's islamophobic if they're pointing out problems within Islam.

It is an ideology that breeds extremism. There are others it's not important we're not talking about that. Don't make a special consideration for Islam.

And before you squawk about people hitting Muslims nobody hates Muslims more than Islam nobody kills more Muslims than Islam.

 

So, I’m a hypocrite because I won’t go the the ME and speak truth to power? Lmao.

 

Who said anything about going to the Middle East I was talking about here.

Do you not think Muslim extremists live here? Do you not remember hearing news reports about the pulse nightclub shooting?

No you're going to pretend that didn't have anything to do with Islam and the fact that ideology that prescribes the death penalty for being homosexual that the shooter believed in has no role in it.

Because you don't want to be called the name.

 

Like I'd guessed: androgynous; though with more of an accent on the person's identifying with this, than on the appearance of it, to others.

While I appreciate the reply-- if I might offer a note-- I almost missed it because of the small print, and it being buried down at definition #3, when that was the only relevant definition, or certainly, by far, the most important, for this context. Reading those inapplicable, more general definitions, I about had given up. So I would recommend offering the most appropriate definition, first and then, if you feel like being a real sport about it, adding something like, "here are some other definitions, that might make clearer, why this term was chosen:..." But that is just a suggestion.

As far as your other speculations about battle, however, the history is not as clear cut on this, as you seem to think. There is, if we are to stay fairly local, the uprising of Celtic Britons, against the occupying Romans, led by Boudica:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica#:~:text=Boudica or Boudicca (/ˈb,in AD 60 or 61.

Also, however, in Southeastern Europe, there used to be a people called the Sarmatians, who had female, as well as male, warriors, fighting together (I believe cavalry-style). And it's not the way one customarily thinks of a leader, but, in ancient times, in the Middle East, one way that an army encouraged its men to charge into the fight, was to tie one of their women atop a camel, then smack the camel's ass, to send it running in the direction of the enemy line. So the tribe to which this woman belonged, would feel impelled to charge and "save" their woman, who otherwise would be raped by their enemies.

So women had seen some action, at the front (and elsewhere), even before Joan.

 

I denounce all violence and all extremists. I don’t go on tv to talk about it. I talk about it here. What are you doing, personally, to publicly take on extremist Muslims?

 

You'd said that you felt you understood the lefty argument, "better than the lefties do."

That it some occult-level pompousness, right there.

So, right now-- what number am I thinking of?

 

Modifying the Joan story most definitely isn't just mocking Christians. Although, modifying the Joan story from being martyred for deviating from church doctrine to being martyred for crossdressing and nonbinaryism could very well be a mockery of spiritual freedom in general, including Christians who do not strictly adhere to Catholic doctrine. I'm not sure how much of a cultural influence Joan of Arc really is in France these days, but if she's still a big deal, I wouldn't put it past the Catholic church to subtly fund or otherwise promote this sort of revision away from the Patron Saint of France being killed by the Catholic Church for refusing to submit to its authoritative doctrine. The whole 'she was a crossdresser' narrative is far less troublesome. But then again, its been hundreds of years, its unlikely they just now decided it was an issue that warranted attention. But you never know...

 

The crossdressing was a problem. It was part of the charges. She continually refused to wear women’s clothes.

 

Of course they had. I didn't suggest otherwise. In fact that's part of my whole problem with the play suggesting that Joan of Arc must have been something less than 'womanly.' Women have often had a place in battle. At the front has usually not been the most efficient place for them, but that's irrelevent to the Joan of Arc story. As you mention- plenty of women throughout history were competent warriors of one sort or another. I don't think any of them need to be 'nonbinary' either. If the folks that made this play make some with male leaders, like Napolean or De Gaul, as being 'nonbinary', then maybe I'll buy the whole 'they're just being creative' thing. Until then, it seems to me like they targetted a female warrior hero/icon for 'nonbinarism' to undermine the concept of women as fighters.