Islam vs Western Values .

When we recognize the core issues of a problem....we are able to address it and remedy the threat it imposed upon us.

Please note what is at the core of violence and death in this world.

There is a very clear commonality.

 

There is NO stoning in Saudi Arabia.... at least not in the past 70 years.

 

Okay. Instead of making blank statements, explain exactly what is similar between the two.

 

I watched the video twice
What She is telling them is exactly the same thing our constitution called for
that is Religious freedom

I hope you realize that Benjamin Franklin wanted to open the constitutional convention with a prayer
But was voted down by a huge majority

 

Islam is for goat and sheep molesters. Islam is for backwards, uneducated, cowardly imbeciles who are incapable of independent or critical thought. Muslims are by and large sheep which is why you see very little pushback from the Muslim world regarding ISIS and in fact filthy Muslims are rushing to join ISIS by the tens of thousands.

 

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

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[TD]2014.08.26 (Farah, Afghanistan) - A mosque imam is beheaded by the Taliban.[/TD]
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[TD]2014.08.25 (Qayara, Iraq) - Three Iraqis are beheaded by the Islamic State.[/TD]
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[TD]2014.08.25 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out fifteen worshippers at a rival mosque.[/TD]
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[TD]2014.08.25 (Gambouru, Nigeria) - Women and children are among fifteen civilians pulled out of their cars and shot to death by Boko Haram.[/TD]
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[TD]2014.08.24 (Baqubah, Iraq) - ISIS blow up a Shia mosque and kill two people.


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As long as it's done in good taste...

 

I wasn't aware that 10s of thousands had been killed by suicide bombers. You must have access to secret information that is not available to the rest of us.

 

Some western countries have engaged in several contrived, brutal, bloody wars that have killed millions of civilians over the past five decades. The so called leaders who led us into these immoral bloodbaths have done so on behalf of war profiteering international bankers who control them. I can't think of anything more evil and immoral than that.

 

What you described is a very poor value regardless from whence it comes.

 

Islam seems to kill for praise and kudos from an imagined sky fairy....basically insanity.

Western societies seem to kill for money and power....not particularly insane, but still evil and very bad.

My issue here (mostly), would be the ignorance and stupidity lying behind the insanity.

 

The major western power for the last two centuries has been Protestant. These Protestant powers have shaped the world as we know. The issue comes from secularist creations like human rights or western values which mean nothing to anyone worth defending them. So we go round and round saying Islam is opposed to western values or human rights, then say because we support these things we can't curtail Islam.

The answer is what it was before Protestantism. To convert Muslims to the Protestant way of thinking from the Protestant English Language bible. You see you can't do that in a secular country unless you are a minority special interest community like "the Muslims" or "the Gays" or "the Blacks" or "the Catholics".

 

Which wars are these?

 

That would depend on one's moral code, wouldn't it?

 

Just a quibble here. The Bible says nothing directly against slavery or sex slavery.

 

I didn't watch the video.. have no idea what its about...

 

You're going to have to explain to me how the Soviets and Red Chinese were and are Protestant. Then explain how the US is a Protestant power, despite the separation of Church and State, and the specific Constitutional prohibition of an established Church.

A couple of objections here.
1) Why the English language Bible? Surely a Bible in the language of the community you are trying to convert would be more effective. Is English somehow holy, or is it just the language you speak?

2) Are we talking about forcible conversion? I don't see how we could do that without establishing a Church and then forming an enforcement wing of that Church; an Inquisition, if you will.

 

Thus we read in the Book of Numbers that the Jews "waged the campaign against Midian, as Yahweh had ordered Moses, and they put every male to death... the sons of Israel took the Midianite women captive with their young children, and plundered all their cattle, all their flocks and all their goods. They set fire to the towns where they lived and all their encampments... Then, when they took the captives, spoil and booty to Moses..., Moses was enraged.... 'why have you spared the life of all the women...? So kill all the male children. Kill also all the women who have slept with a man. Spare the lives only of the young girls who have not slept with a man, and take them for yourselves".Num 31:7-19

in the Book of Deuteronomy, when the Jews attacked Sihon's Amorite kingdom, "Yahweh our God delivered him over to us... We captured all his cities and laid whole towns under ban, men, women and children; we spared nothing but the livestock which we took as our spoil".Deut 2:33-35

"Then Yahweh said to Joshua, 'Now I am delivering Jericho and its king into your hands". So, when "the walls of Jericho came tumbling down", the Jewish warriors "enforced the ban on everything in the town: men and women, young and old, even the oxen and sheep and donkeys, massacring them all".Joshua 6:21

 

It's a video of MEMRI... the organisation of ex-Israëli secret service that too often deliberately mistranslated Arab so it seems to fit it's racist zionistic anti-islam propaganda.

 

I am British. The Soviets and Chinese were anti-Christian, not Protestant. They aren't part of the West. Your Constitution and bill of rights were created by Protestants for a Protestant population. The separation was put it to limit the influence of the Church of England in the 9 Colonies after the North American Proxy war. It doesn't stop the basis for law being the Protestant English language bible or a majority of the US population being Protestants as well as the US elite.

I am British, English is my language and the language of the US. I am trying to get Muslims to accept Protestant British culture and support it, English must of their first language, not Arabic. This is why so many Muslims don't sound British. Also yes English is the best language in the world and so people must speak it.

No you give people options and choice, between being a Arabic Muslims or a British Protestant thinking Muslims. Same in the US. I see a number of Muslim converts to Christianity in the US and Canada, almost no in the UK. In fact many British Protestants have joined the Catholic Church or converted to being Muslim. Directly because of the Protestant Church of England has been removed by the government.

 

This is simply not true. The first amendment, for instance provides for the free exercise of religion, not just Protestant versions of Christianity.

It also doesn't make the US a Protestant country, merely one with a majority Protestant population.

Actually, the US has no official language.

Ethnocentrism is the name for what you have. Bigotry is a more pejorative way to say the same thing.

Given your attitude toward their culture and language, good luck getting converts.

BTW, what would make your culture superior to theirs from their point of view?

 

Yep. It was written and support by the Protestant leadership in the North American Proxy war and the people it was trying to get support from. After the war was over to get the states to stay in the Union.

Yeah so Protestant then. If a country is major Muslim country it is Muslim.

English is the de facto language and a number of state have English as the official language.

Who said anything about ethnicity? I am talking about language and religion which makes up a persons culture. What does bigotry mean?

My only attitude is to protect my culture and way of life. It is about me, not them. My power not their power. I want them to improve and have the freedom to seek the truth as they see it. However they can't be allowed to be manipulated by the Progressive Liberal Secularists to destroy my culture and freedom from government. So they must be given a choice, currently they aren't been given that choice. I am not saying they convert their faith to Christian, I am talking about the way they think. I hold the same view of Atheists, Hindu's, Catholics and so on. To reinforce the Protestant culture and way of life in my country.

Handel makes my culture superior to their culture.

 

Not really. The Articles of Confederation had already accomplished that. Nor was the leadership entirely Protestant. Jefferson, for instance, rejected the idea that Jesus was the Messiah. In Washington's letter to Touro synagogue, he assures them they would enjoy religious liberty, not mere tolerance in a Christian nation. Washington himself was a Deist. Deists would reject the idea of a Messiah. John Adams rejected belief in the Messiah and the Trinity. As president, he signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which stated that the gov't of the US is not founded on Christianity. Thomas Paine wrote 'The Age of Reason', which was a pretty savage attack on organized religion and all the major dogma of Christianity. He called the God of the Old Testament 'wicked'.

Not really. Were we truly a Protestant country, we would be doing things like punishing homosexuals e.g. The US is not a theocracy. The apparatus of our government is not beholden to any Church, nor is it obliged to take their views into account.

Still not official. And there are plenty of people who live here who do not speak the language. This is not a recent development, either. Up until the 1940's the area I live in had Swedish, German, Polish and Norwegian language newspapers.

You are talking about ethnicity when you speak about language, religion and culture. Your claim that yours is somehow better than that of Muslim people makes you ethnocentric. And that in turn makes you as big a bigot as the guys in the white robes and hoods here in the US.

So why should they change if it is about you. You are not only a bigot, but self-centered as well . . . the world must change to suit your desires.

I want them to improve and have the freedom to seek the truth as they see it. However they can't be allowed to be manipulated by the Progressive Liberal Secularists to destroy my culture and freedom from government. So they must be given a choice, currently they aren't been given that choice. I am not saying they convert their faith to Christian, I am talking about the way they think. I hold the same view of Atheists, Hindu's, Catholics and so on. To reinforce the Protestant culture and way of life in my country.[/quote]

People must change the way they think to suit you. Their value system must fall by the wayside in favor of yours. Do you realize how spoiled this makes you sound?[/quote]

The Spice Girls mean your culture should be destroyed before it is allowed to spread. http://www.politicalforum.com/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

 

Oh yes of course.. MEMRI is just a propaganda tool ..

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