Israel lies to the world

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to Israel, Jordanian, British, and Ottoman law still applies to the West Bank.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The actuall verdict is in Hebrew only, but the judges relied on other verdicts with the same subject:
    http://elyon1.court.gov.il/files_eng/04/570/079/A14/04079570.a14.pdf

    As it says:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    civilian settlements have no military use. Israeli Supreme Court said it was ILLEGAL for Israel to expropriate Arab land for military purposes and then use it for civilian settlements.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Setlements are on Jewish private land and state land.
     
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    no they wont because no GOVERNMENT really cares enough to do anything

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    who giives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what 'peace nw' an overtly pro palestian website 'found'
     
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    [Contridact ?contridacting ?


    I don't mean to be picky . but you monotonously keep repeating the same dull trite - where did you learn that word ?:roll:

    Check on this - AFAIK - rare case

    ":Settlers can’t use Ottoman law to claim land

    sPeace Now asks High Court to reject Migron deal"

    "The High Court of Justice ruled late Tuesday night that a settler must evacuate private Palestinian land near Kedumim within a month.

    Rights groups said the precedent- setting judgement could have far-reaching effects on Israeli land claims in the West Bank.

    In the ruling, the panel of justices – Supreme Court President (Emeritus) Dorit Beinisch, Edna Arbel and Miriam Naor – found that settlers could not use Ottoman land laws to gain ownership rights to private Palestinian land. (Although Beinisch turned 70 on February 28, she still sits on cases that the court began to hear before she passed the mandatory retirement age for judges.)


    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Settlers-cant-use-Ottoman-law-to-claim-land


    cheers .
     
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    Is that what you've been indoctrinated to believe ?

    However , can you explain why all other countris /authorities . including many Jewish organizations, + Israel's USA - closest ally , insist that the settlements located outside Israel's 1967 line - ARE ILLEGAL ?


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    you have no evidence the Jews bought the land.

    much of the state land would be Arab private land if Israel didn't ignore Jordanian law.
     
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    Who told you that ?

    Where's your source ?

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    Israel is respecting and obeying the laws in the West Bank.
    This case doesnt contradict what I provided.

    That is what history shows.

    You already asked me that question and I already gave you my answer.
    You need to be asking them this question.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he has no evidence that even 50% of private land that the settlements are built on, is Jewish-owned.
     
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    Sept . 2014


    Israel says it will appropriate 4 sq km (1.5 sq miles) of land in the occupied West Bank.

    The decision regarding the land south of Bethlehem is believed to be the largest seizure by Israel in 30 years.

    The military-run local administration said it was a response to the kidnapping and killing of three Jewish teenagers in the area in June.

    Palestinians said diplomatic action should be taken against Israel. The US urged Israel to reverse the move.


    A spokesman for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said on Monday that he was "alarmed" by the decision.

    "The seizure of such a large swathe of land risks paving the way for further settlement activity, which - as the United Nations has reiterated on many occasions - is illegal under international law and runs totally counter to the pursuit of a two-state solution," a statement said.

    UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond also said he "deplores" the decision and called on Israel to reverse it.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29008045
     
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    I have an evidence:
    The reasearch of Eyal Zamir and Eyal Benvenisti from The Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies , "The Legal Status of Lands Acquired by Israelis before 1948 in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem", 1993. I already provided you but you prefer to ignore.

    All the state lands are under the state responsibility. Between 1948-1967 it was under Jordanian responsibility and from 1967 till today is under under Israeli responsibility. (After Oslo Accords only Area A and B is under the PLO responsibility).
     
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    you didn't prove that even 50% of the private land is Jewish owned.

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    so now Israel confiscates land as an act of revenge?

    total war crime. Israel MUST go to trial.
     
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    I take that as an admission that Israel is a rogue state which ignores international law.

    Thanks . :wink:


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    Settlements were buit on state and Jewish private lands, as I already showed you.

    That actions was for security needs, because one part of the search for the 3 teenagers were in the area of Bethlehem.
    The UN already annouced in the source that I provided you that Israel can do acts that hurt the right of "Palestinians" if the acts are to fullfil security needs.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    by 1948, the Jews owned around 30,000 dunams of land in the West Bank.

    However, according to the Civil Administration, the settlements today are on 50,000 dunams of private land.

    so, when did the Jews by these extra 20,000 dunams of land?

    http://www.ajtransparency.com/en/projects/thepalestinepapers/201218203525218283.html

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    Israel didn't say it was for security needs, they said it was for revenge.
     
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    Israel is respecting and obeying the laws in the West Bank, like I already showed and continue to show.

    The reasearch of Eyal Zamir and Eyal Benvenisti from The Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies , "The Legal Status of Lands Acquired by Israelis before 1948 in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem", 1993.

    Moreover, more sources are scattered in this thread and in the other threads of Ronstar.

    I never said that! please stop putting words in my mouth!
     
  19. Hoosier8

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    No other political entity has had legal title or sovereignty or statehood over the area since the days of the Ottoman Empire. The legal claim to the area thus remains disputed. There is no sovereign authority to which Israel can return the land without negotiated agreement. That is why many agree that it will only come from a two state solution.
     
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    The link is talking about that the PLO need to return all Jewish private lands to their owners. Also it provides several of locations where Jewish private lands are.

    Moreover, The Civil Administration talks about "private lands"- in general, thus, you cant say that they are belonging to Arab because they didnt say that!

    Israel didnt built there, and just used that territory for security needs, which rises the likelihood to ceptured the murders.
     
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    Israeli govts has repeatedly , by various tactics, obstructed any negotiated agreements with their expansion policies, building illegal settlements on occupied West Bank. The Zionist like 1940s Nazis want LEBENSRAUM - Not PEACE - just an ever larger slice of Palestinian Pizza. Zionist are dishonest when they pretend being willing to negotiating a two state solution called for by Palestinian leaders and most Western govts.



    Here's a quickie from wiki :

    " United Nations Security Council resolution 446, adopted on 22 March 1979, concerned the issue of Israeli settlements in the "Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem".[1]

    This refers to the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip as well as the Syrian Golan Heights.

    In the Resolution, the Security Council determined: "that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East"

    The Resolution was adopted by 12 votes to none, with 3 abstentions from Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States of America

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    I am sure you think that because the Arabs have backed out of every agreement that it is all Israel's fault. That doesn't change the legal status of the territory. They can claim they are Arab territories all they want but then they could claim they are Jewish territories to since Jews have lived in the area just as long. UN resolutions are nonbinding recommendations and hold no legal status.
     
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    UN Security Council Resolutions are binding as law.
     
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    The Israeli settlements sit on 50,000 dunams of private land.

    Jews only bought 30,000 dunams before 1948.

    When did they buy the other 20,000?
     
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    before 1967, only 527,000 dunams of land in the West Bank was State Land.

    since 1967, Israel has converted more than 900,000 dunams of unregistered land to State Land, and only .7% of that has been used for the benefit of Palestinians, while 38% was given directly to settlements.

    why?
     

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