Israeli Nukes Threaten World Peace

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can only have gotten your misconceptions about Iran from the Zionist dominated Western Media outlets:

    - “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.Vhb3Zc02XUR


    - “DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA”
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html

    1. Did you know that women currently outnumber Clerics in Iran's parliament?


    2. Did you know that Iran offered its significant expertise in fighting the tremendous US Oil Spill / Leak in the Gulf of Mexico & that the US Government chose to let the spill worsen rather than vex the Zionist Lobbies (AIPAC, JINSA etc) that dictate our Foreign Policy

    (*)“Iran offers help in fighting Gulf of Mexico oil leak”
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3908904,00.html
    EXCERPT “Iranian company included in recent round of sanctions against Tehran offers to send experts to help clean up largest environmental disaster in US history, saying that US, Britain can send request for aid from Iran.


    3. Did you know that the US rejected Iranian requests for the US to help Iran fight the Israeli, Turkish, US backed ISIL / Daesh?[1]

    “US rejects Iran's offer to cooperate against Islamic State”
    https://www.rt.com/news/189752-iran-us-isis-cooperation-offer/
    EXCERPT “ The US has rejected a proposal from Iranian officials regarding cooperation between the two nations in fighting against the Islamic State (IS)”CONTINUED


    4. Did you know that Iran has attacked no one in 300 years while Israel has initiated ALL of its "Wars of Choice"?

    “Begin’s Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars”
    http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

    AND

    “What Really Happened in the “Yom Kippur” War?”
    ISRAEL SHAMIR
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/22/what-really-happened-in-the-yom-kippur-war/

    EXCERPT “The secret file, written by the Soviet Ambassador in Cairo, Vladimir M. Vinogradov..... describes the 1973 October War as a collusive enterprise between US, Egyptian and Israeli leaders, orchestrated by Henry Kissinger.”CONTINUED


    In stating that:
    You've precisely described Israel's Genocidal "bullying and posturing leverage" as well as it is the Israelis who remain in blatant violation of the NPT & remain so without the threat of Sanctions.


    5. Meanwhile, America's infestation of Zionist lobbies who pressure the State Dept. to maintain Sanctions that hurt US businesses while European businesses are already in a thriving trade with Iran:


    “Iranian Economic Boom Will Be a Bust for US Businesses”
    "http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Iranian-Economic-Boom-Will-Be-a-Bust-for-US-Businesses-20150901-0012.html".

    EXCERPT “There’s a lot of money to be made doing business with Iran, a country of 78 million people—the second largest population in the Middle East, after Egypt. It has a highly educated population"CONTINUED


    6. If Iran were truly a threat to the US don't you think that one of 16 US Security agencies would have stated so. Instead, they all (16 US Security Agencies) assert that Israel is our greatest threat:

    “An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests”
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...eatest-threat-to-us-national-interests/22135/

    EXCERPT “ (*)It’s a paper entitled “Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East”, an 82-page analysis that concludes that the American national interest is fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel.

    The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.

    The study was commissioned by the US Intelligence Community comprising 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion.”CONTINUED



    I imagine that your anti Iranian sentiments are the desired product of our Zionist dominated Major Media & hope that in the future, you will rely on more reliable & less Zionist dominated media.


    Thanks,

    PS: I've been to Iran & was only treated with generous hospitality & kindness by its people



    [1] “Wall Street Journal: Israel Caught Red-handed Aiding al-Qaeda in Syria”
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/...l-caught-red-handed-aiding-al-qaeda-in-syria/
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has enough nukes to destroy the entire planet???

    LOL!!!

    hardly.

    talk about hyperbole
     
  3. DrewBedson

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    Correct however I meant between Great Powers. Sorry for the confusion.

    Very good point however, this brings us right back to where nuclear weapons keeps the great posers in check. After all, they have had tons of practice in the last world war AKA the Cold War.

    I see your point and deem it worth reflecting on further but don't believe alliances are as black and white as they were a hundred years ago what with Tsars, Dukes, Emperors etc and, with global trade as well as economic bonding find automaticity of actions based on loyalty of elected officials to be a far different situation.
     
  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. In reference to:
    In reference to your hypocritical assertion, I will remind you of of a couple of your own
    The following are just a couple of your more recent pearls you should consider before accusing others of Off Topic nonsense and blatant personal attacks:

    by "DrewBedson"


    by DrewBedson

    Re-read your own words before you accuse others of Off-Topic drivel & personal attacks as they are both your own M.O.

    I might add that for all your bluster about "...Myself, pure transparency...." .....you always make sure that you only insult others from the safety of behind a screen or a skirt.


    2. In reference to your demand that I:

    Those threats were included in the information I posted & you choose to ignore.Please read it[1]
    Of course when I DO post those other Israeli threats, you'll deny they exist were made:

    - “Prime Minister … You are saying that if ever Israel was in danger of being defeated on the battlefield, it would be prepared to take the region and even the whole world down with it?” Meir replied “Yes, that’s exactly what I am saying.” GOLDA MEIR

    - ““We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force.”
    We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”(*)(The original interview appeared in the Dutch weekly magazine:Elsevier, 2002, no. 17, p. 52-53, April 27th, 2002).”
    MARTIN VAN CREVELD



    3. Re:
    Oh, I thought I already posted a source that is very specific in this additional case of Israel's killing of Americans:


    “Israeli Snipers Killing
    US Troops In Iraq”
    Source: Joanna Francis and CNN
    http://www.blissful-wisdom.com/isra...ng-hundreds-of-american-soldiers-in-iraq.html

    EXCERPT “Anderson Cooper of CNN showed this video of snipers killing U.S. troops in Iraq on his October 18, 2006 show. CNN says it obtained the video from a "representative" of an unnamed "insurgent leader." Bear in mind that Anderson Cooper used to work for the CIA.

    Richard Wilson's hypothesis: Israeli soldiers and/or Mossad agents are killing our soldiers in Iraq in order to enrage American troops so that the slaughter continues.

    Proof: At the very beginning of this video clip, you see a rifle with a video camera attached to it. This weapon is made by the Rafael company, an Israeli arms manufacturer, that also makes IEDs.

    If you watch the video all the way through, it explains how this rifle works.

    CNN stated that the camera used to film these shootings was not a mounted rifle camera. But as you watch the video, you see that with each shot fired, the camera recoils.

    That would only happen if it were mounted on the rifle. Why is this significant? Because this kind of rifle-camera is extremely sophisticated and not available to your average Iraqi insurgent. I mean, it's not exactly an easily obtainable Saturday night special!
    Something this sophisticated points to Mossad.

    Because of this access, the "insurgents" (i.e., Mossad agents) know exactly where US vehicles will be and who will be inside them. This allows them to target for maximum false flag effect.”
    CONTINUED

    Try reading what I DO Post before asking me to Post the same information again






    [1] “ISRAELI NUCLEAR THREATS AND BLACKMAIL”
    http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/israelithreats.html
    “The Samson Option Still Threatens the World”
    Official policy and threats
    EXCERPT “Not surprisingly, no nation state has attempted to attack Israel since 1973.

    A former Israeli official justified Israel’s threats.

    - “You Americans screwed us” in not supporting Israel in its 1956 war with Egypt. “We can still remember the smell of Auschwitz and Treblinka. Next time we’ll take all of you with us.”[14](*)

    - General Moshe Dayan, a leading promoter of Israel’s nuclear program, has been quoted as saying “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”

    - Amos Rubin, an economic adviser to former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, said "If left to its own Israel will have no choice but to fall back on a riskier defense which will endanger itself and the world at large... To enable Israel to abstain from dependence on nuclear arms calls for $2 to 3 billion per year in U.S. aid."

    - In 1977, after a right-wing coalition under Menachen Begin took power, the Israelis began to use the Samson Option not just to deter attack but to allow Israel to “redraw the political map of the Middle East” by expanding hundreds of thousands of Israeli settlers into the West Bank and Gaza.

    - Then-Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon said things like "We are much more important than (Americans) think. We can take the middle east with us whenever we go" and "Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches."


    (*) He proclaimed his - and many Likud Party members' - goals of transforming Jordan into a Palestinian state and “transferring” all Palestinian refugees there.[21][22] (*)A practice known worldwide as "ethnic cleansing."

    To dissuade the Soviet Union from interfering with its plans, Prime Minister Begin immediately “gave orders to target more Soviet cities” for potential nuclear attack. Its American spy Jonathan Pollard was caught stealing such nuclear targeting information from the U.S. military in 1985.[23] CONTINUED
     
  5. Marcus Moon

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    It is difficult to evaluate the effect of "softer" alliances than those at the beginning of the last century. Obviously, article 5 makes NATO a traditionally "hard" alliance, but the others are undeniably less certain. This uncertainty may cause would be aggressor states to hesitate because they do not know how many enemies will respond to their bullets, it may also prevent would be defenders (who also do not know how many allies and enemies they may have) to allow states to annex territory in the hope that (metaphorically) Hitler will be satisfied with Austria.

    For example, I think this is some of what happened in Crimea and Ukraine when Putin took territory militarily. I am reasonably confident that all of the leaders of Europe, and most of the rest of the world, were secretly relieved that Ukraine had not been admitted to NATO. Alternately, had Ukraine been a NATO nation, Putin may never have invaded. In this case, a soft alliance may have prevented the automatic escalation of an invasion that may have been prevented byunder a hard alliance.

    DAESH is certainly hoping that somehow a billion Muslims rally to their cause, but the incessant sectarianism softens those potential alliances and avenues of support. While DAESH is Sunni at its base, it does not get the hoped-for support from Sunni states. I think that it is significant that Iran (a Shiite nation) was the first state to respond to DAESH military activities in Iraq, but Saudi Arabia (a Sunni nation) is also fighting against DAESH. Apparently sectarian affinities are unreliable as predictors of alliances.

    Africa and West & Central Asia are pockmarked with uncommitted and unpredictable governments who generally have soft alliances at best, and are easy prey for DAESH. As DAESH takes territory, it must establish or revise governments, and then govern. Governing a nation generally includes the creation of alliances, non- aggression pacts, etc. Without firm alliances, weaker nations can easily find themselves capitulating to DAESH as a way to forestall some of the effects of violent invasion. During the Muslim Westward invasion during the Umayyad Caliphate in the 7th & 8th centuries, a common tactic was to brutalize the civilian populations of cities that resisted, but to grant peace and some nominal participation in local government to populations of cities that immediately surrendered and joined the Caliphate. If DAESH uses this tactic, then some weak and already unstable nations might be had for the asking. That would increase the DAESH base of support and make it more attractive as an ally.

    The real question is whether there is a point when China would pick a side. China always acts to support its interests, but those are generally evaluated by a long view, making prediction difficult.

    I am leaning toward thinking that while harder alliances may not make peace more certain, they definitely make planning for war a simpler project.
     
  6. DrewBedson

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    You are a Holocaust Denier Grau. That means you are antisemitic as the argument of Holocaust Denial means an entire ethnoreligious group unified as a group in order to deliberately mislead the world to make money. The entire theory in light of the mountains of counter evidence makes such a weak case that one would have to have a terminal case of crazy to go along with it so, seems I called it right.

    You said I was a Hasbara operative Grau. I merely responded so you were off topic.

    I, unlike you don't hide behind a fake name. You wish to call me by all means look me up and do so. I note that you insult myself and others by callibng them agents of Israel from not only behnind a screen or pantyhose but using a fake name as well.


    As do all nuclear powers.

    :roflol: You really don't have a clue do you?
    You didn't. You posted a rumor with no proof.


    And he also said the cam era was not mounted to the rifle.

    Who is Richard Wilson?

    Yes, only Jews can duct tape a camera to a rifle. And only Jews can buy a weapon on the black market, and only Jews have access to weapons, and only Jews make anything that is half decent as nowhere else on the planet can you find technology that's any good.
    :roflol:

    Don't waste my time Grau, give me the quote and where the quote is on the vid .
    So your own source is lying and you admit it?

    Yes, duct tape is only sold to individuals with a license to use duct tape.

    Really? Maybe the city was so full of a hundred thousand US troops that one did not have to go out looking for them as they always conducted patrols in the same areas using the same routes to access those patrol areas so no intel was needed.
    Actually I'm still asking for proof as what you supplied is not proof of anything but how gullible you are.

    Is that 'ol 'Sunspot Carol' you using as proof of something Grau?:roflol:
     
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    Because...?
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

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    No one is going to disarm Israel by words or through 'diplomacy'. Not unless the balance of power in the region shifts and changes. The Israelis succeeded in derailing Iran's nuclear program (even as they (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed about it to set the stage for the US later reneging on its part of the bargain) through the nuclear agreement reached by the US (and the rest of the gang) and Iran. That agreement meant that Iran no longer has the 'surge capacity' it enjoyed prior to that agreement, namely the option to go nuclear in case the situation warranted such a course. And with that the world is a lot less safe, as the US/Israeli march for hegemony in the Middle East will be more difficult to contain and far more likely to at some point involve the use of nuclear weapons to avoid the costs of doing it the "conventional way".
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    The world will not be safer with a nuclear armed Iran.

    Plus the moment that Iran was to build a nuke.....the U.S. would invade.

    We would have no choice.

    We could not allow the Israeli's to bomb active Iranian Nuclear Facilities as that would poison the entire region.

    Plus the United States is the only nation capable of invading Iran and capturing and dismantling all Iranian Nuclear Facilities.

    Israel would never use Nukes unless it's existence was threatened and even then we would not allow Israel to use them as we would solve the problem first.

    If Israel was attacked with Nukes....well then in that case we would allow them to use nukes in retaliation.

    But the reality is....the United States is NOT going to allow ANYONE to use Nukes.

    AA
     

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