It's time to get serious on the issue of gun violence

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  1. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    And your willing to spend the money that all that will cost right?
     
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    The end-runs around the truth never end.
    Gun don't bear malice toward anyone; neither does ammo. The entire issue is to try to control people by their choice of weapons...
    So if your killer beats you to death with a baseball bat, we ban baseball.
    Of course we must already ban knives of any kind.
    Pencils are deadly weapons too if you know how to use one.
    Gasoline- oh hell yes, we can't have people throwing molotovs or driving cars into crowds.

    EVERY squawk about weapons ignores that NO weapon is a murder weapon until A PERSON WITH MURDEROUS INTENT chooses to use it.
    That tells me such people fear guns more than they do murderers- and that is utter stupidity.

    More people are murdered with the most common weapon there is- than all the rifles of all calibers, brands and styles put together.
    That weapon- YOU own. You carry it everywhere you go... It is YOUR FISTS AND FEET.
    More people are beaten to death barehanded that killed by all rifles put together.
    The common denominator of murder is and always has been the perpetrator, not the weapon they choose.

    When a small person is attacked by a larger person- defense is difficult. This is one of the reasons guns exist- to protect yourself from thugs.
    The problem is not new; it was real long before guns were invented.

    Do you object to murder at all? Or only murder by firearms? Or perhaps- just to anyone having the capacity to defend themselves from murder?
    I think you object to firearms... but not to murder.
    If someone kills you without using a firearm, we won't grieve.
     
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  3. Cybred

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    Then you don't need a gun to defend yourself with.
     
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    Malcom X did not spout theory -- he spoke truth to power.

    "You, today, are in the hands of a government of segregationists. Racists, white supremacists, who belong to the Democratic party but disguise themselves as Dixiecrats. A Dixiecrat is nothing but a Democrat. Whoever runs the Democrats is also the father of the Dixiecrats. And the father of all of them is sitting in the White House. [applause] I say, and I'll say it again, you got a president who's nothing but a southern segregationist [applause] from the state of Texas. They'll lynch in Texas as quick as they'll lynch you in Mississippi. Only in Texas they lynch you with a Texas accent, in Mississippi they lynch you with a Mississippi accent. [cheering]"
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

    IOW, Lynden Johnson/Joe Biden ...
     
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    A commission of intelligent lifers would might recommend some form of corporal punishment and release for most first and second offenders -- who have not killed or seriously wounded their victims.

    But why would the geniuses who create and run our corrupt criminal justice system want advice from anyone who actually knows exactly how the beast works from the inside out? ;-)
     
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    Yes. Hint: prisons don't have to be built like 'country clubs'! Build new prisons using essentially the same designs as prisoner-of-war camps during World War II. If our prisons were more like THAT, people would really think twice before ever committing crimes with firearms.... :eyepopping:

    [​IMG]. "Smile, cupcake -- only got another ten years to go!" :xd:
     
  7. Joe knows

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    It’s literally a proposed rule under Biden’s FDA.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gun is never allowed to be an adjective?

    How about, “ it was a deadly weapon, but was not a knife or choking or strangling or a bow an arrow. It was a legit, non any weapon except those allowed by the second amendment, fight to the death.”

    Seriously?

    I can’t wait until this non profiling gets so annoying, taking reports will be meaningless.

    “it was human?” “Anything else you can tell me?”

    can’t mention, height weight gender color weapon…..
     
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    Tell that to females who stopped a rape with a firearm.

    You would just have them be raped then?

    To satisfy your own authoritarian desire .
     
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  10. Cybred

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    So nothing else works then. Got it.
     
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    Well they can always take the advice of your dear leaders and pee their pants and hope for the best.

    If it was a female relative of yours which defense mechanism would you prefer they employ?
     
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    Bear mace.
     
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    High speed lead poisoning works 100% of the time. Not to mention a pistols a hell of a lot easier to carry.

    And some people laugh at mace but no one laughs at bullets. As an added bonus the perpetrator won't be around to rape someone else.

    I wouldn't gamble with my loved ones protection if it were me
     
  14. Cybred

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    But I do know what would work.
     
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    Well that makes two of us then the gun is the most effective tool for self-defense
     
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    No its not, the most effective tool is one the wielder is comfortable and competent to use.
     
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    Such as what tinkle on them self?
    A gun makes Grandma a match for 350 lb thug.
     
  18. Cybred

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    Only if she's willing, capable and competent to use it. Sorry but guns aren't magic.
     
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    Disingenuous argument. "Gun" is either a noun or a verb. Not an adjective.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gun
     
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    Its illegal in many areas, particularly urban.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    Yes. And you should too if you actually cared about the deaths the shooter caused more than trying to ban guns.
     
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    The first amendment doesn't mention ink either.
     
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    Can't shoot someone with a gun you don't have.
     
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    There are less victims of "right wing radicalization" every year in the entire country than there are victims of street crime in a hot weekend in just Chicago alone.

    Where would money and resources be better spent? Saving the lives of the dozen or so annual victims of "right wing radicals", or saving the THOUSANDS of lives that fall victim to black street crime every single year?

    What's more important? The actual people, or your political agenda?
     
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