Jayapal Makes a Fool Out of Herself and Democrats

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Top House Democrats rebuke Jayapal comments that Israel is a ‘racist state’ as she tries to walk them back

    CNN — Top House Democrats are rebuking Congressional Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal’s comments from earlier this weekend that “Israel is a racist state,” which she sought to walk back on Sunday.

    “Israel is not a racist state,” House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Democratic Whip Katherine Clark, Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar and Vice Chair Ted Lieu said in a statement that did not mention the progressive leader by name.

    A draft statement signed by a handful of other House Democrats and circulating among lawmakers’ offices on Sunday expresses “deep concern” over what it calls Jayapal’s “unacceptable” comments, adding, “We will never allow anti-Zionist voices that embolden antisemitism to hijack the Democratic Party and country.”


    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/16/politics/pramila-jayapal-israel-netroots-nation/index.html

    Is she trying to stab President Biden in the back?
     
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    She's not trying to stab Biden in the back, but she is speaking her truth. Her truth just happens to be anti-Semitic.
     
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    maybe she should join the squad, she meets the criteria - Female, not-white, Jew-hater
     
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    Are 'house Democrats' suggesting that 'anti-Zionism' is necessarily antisemitic? I mean, I don't think being opposed to a Christian State would be anti-Christian or being opposed to a White State would be anti-white... So why is it 'anti-Jew' to oppose the Jewish State?
     
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    Why does he face look like she chased parked cars all her life?
     
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    I'm curious as to why it wouldn't be anti-Christian to oppose some theoretical Christian government, nor opposing a white state wouldn't be anti-white?

    Obviously context is everything, so if by white state you mean apartheid era South Africa, that's one thing, or a Christian state that vigorously persecutes other religions, but your statement as is sounds odd.
     
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    For most Jews I know, anti-Zionism is antisemitic. That isn't lost on Democrats.

    The numbers ... 7.5m Jews, 3.5m Muslims, 2.1m Arabs.
    Christians sometimes talk like they're threatened, but Jews really feel threatened and want a Jewish state as a refuge for Jews worldwide.
     
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    Christian sometimes are every bit the target of Muslim terrorists just like Jews are.
     
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    Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic | Antisemitism | The Guardian

    "It is an understandable impulse: let the people threatened by antisemitism define antisemitism. The problem is that, in many countries, Jewish leaders serve both as defenders of local Jewish interests and defenders of the Israeli government. And the Israeli government wants to define anti-Zionism as bigotry because doing so helps Israel kill the two-state solution with impunity.

    For years, Barack Obama and John Kerry warned that if Israel continued the settlement growth in the West Bank that made a Palestinian state impossible, Palestinians would stop demanding a Palestinian state alongside Israel and instead demand one state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, neither Jewish nor Palestinian, that replaces Israel.
    Defining anti-Zionism as antisemitism reduces that threat. It means that if Palestinians and their supporters respond to the demise of the two-state solution by demanding one equal state, some of the world’s most powerful governments will declare them bigots.

    Which leaves Israel free to entrench its own version of one state, which denies millions of Palestinians basic rights. Silencing Palestinians isn’t a particularly effective way to fight rising antisemitism, much of which comes from people who like neither Palestinians nor Jews. But, just as important, it undermines the moral basis of that fight.

    Antisemitism isn’t wrong because it is wrong to denigrate and dehumanise Jews. Antisemitism is wrong because it is wrong to denigrate and dehumanise anyone. Which means, ultimately, that any effort to fight antisemitism that contributes to the denigration and dehumanisation of Palestinians is no fight against antisemitism at all."
     
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    I don't think that's the case but apparently her district has many Muslims constitutents so she either believes her bias or is representing her voters. Either way, she put her foot directly into her mouth without help.
     
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    I actually laughed out loud on that one.
     
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    I wouldn't put it past her to be pushing a point of view shared by her caucus.
     
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    Well this seems to be a common sentiment among the squad, but I doubt it's the majority of Democrats.
     
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    She's hurting her party the way Marjorie Taylor Greene hurts Republicans. They run their mouths.
     
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    This goes way, way back... I'd say, to the late 1800s where Jews started moving to the area, through WW1 and the Balfour Declaration, a large Jewish immigration through WW2, and finally to partition, several wars, and Palestinian resistance. The Palestinians (Jordanians at that point) overplayed their hand and didn't take the best deal they're likely to get) in 1947.

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    The Palestinians were misled and miscalculated. I think a Palestinian state is nearly impossible now.
     
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    In the incisive words of the late, great Abba Eban: "The Palestinians never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity."
     
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    Christians have many countries and places to turn. Jews do not.
     
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    Quite the observation, isn't it?
     
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    It isn't. That's a weird American politician hangup. Opposing any Israeli policy or regime is dubbed hateful of Jews. That is itself a form of unthinking bigotry really.
     
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    There are plenty of nations in which Jews are now welcome and not under threat. Their insistence on having a country putting their religion/race above all others IS bigoted, no matter how you may want to spin it.
     
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    You got this exactly right, especially the bolded. So many fall into the error of confusing fighting injustice (be it racism, sexism, or whatever else) for fighting for a particular group (race, gender, etc) that they either identify with or feel special empathy for. That usually leads to them endorsing injustice against those not in their preferred group.
     
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    That doesn't change the fact that they remain targets.
     
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    True.
    Jews and Palestinians are the same race, so it's not a race issue.

    Jews do have a better chance of immigrating to Israel, but other religions are accepted in the country.
     

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