Jesus Christ and The Noble Qu'ran

Remember who the biblical God is. Yahweh is the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies. So if you insert that into the places where the single word God is used you get =

"Yahweh may NOT be relevant in your life or another person's life, but everybody is relevant to and in what Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, receives.. that is why Scripture says: Isaiah 52:5 "Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed."

And also:

Romans 2:24
"For the name of Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."

So every time you see the word "God" used by itself in the Bible replace it with the clause "Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies". That's who you are worshiping.

 

Actions speak louder than words.

These are only words

Absolutely agree.

 

Islam is the religion of peace. Salaam (peace) is just the drawn-out pronunciation of Islam (both really just being 'slm' as Arabic doesnt use vowels). There are technically three words for 'peace' in Arabic. One means 'ceasefire' and the other means 'reconciliation.' The word that most closely fits our understanding of 'peace' (being a lack of violence) is Salaam. But Salaam is the peace of SUBMISSION. Salaam is not the lack of violence, but the lack of DISOBEDIENCE, often through violence. The concept of tolerant coexistance or cooperation between opposing groups is lost upon the culture that orthodox Islam encompasses. There is Peace, Salaam, when Muslims submit to Allah, and there is Peace, Salaam, when non-Muslims submit to Muslims (and submit to Allah by proxy). This IS Peace. This is Salaam. This is Islam. There is no other Peace but submission to Islam.

This is similar to Judaism and Christianity- hundreds of years ago. 'One True God' 'One True Savior' etc. But Judeo-Christianity has undergone reformations, abandonning the doctrine that required expansion by blood and death. Islam's reformation has gone in the reverse: its orthodoxy is increasingly centered around violent spread to bring everyone into its 'Peace.' There are, of course, sects within Islam that have rejected this ancient style of doctrine, but they are heretical to the Islamic orthodoxy.

Islam is what Christianity and Judaism were: on a crusade to convert or kill.

Without a renaisance-style reformation allowing its orthodoxy to promote coexistance among opposing ideologues, Islam will eventually force the world to wipe it out.

 

For a peace loving religion, they sure seem to like war.



Regards
DL

 

That or push all Muslims back to their homelands the way the Crusades did.

A E.U. country, Denmark is already deporting Muslims and others are clamping down on the forced wearing of hijabs and other garment that Muslim women are forced to wear and other restrictive laws.

Regards
DL

 

Their definition of 'peace' isnt the same as ours.

 

funny.. these are only words.. yeah.. only the Words of God Himself... Do you NOT think that God is able to speak and talk just as any human can and does? HE knows how to write also. HE wrote on tablets of stone, remember?

 

That is not likely and I doubt that you know what was written on those stones. Get your list and I will show you the real one.

That aside.

If God can speak, then the talking serpents and donkeys can as well.

Do you believe what your bible says about those talking animals?

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm

Regards
DL

 

Correct. The true word is war, not peace in this case.

Regards
DL

 

Prove it.

No I don't.

 

OK.
Truth Time.
What delade is doing is called "Dawah"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawah
Prosletyzing/Propagandizing for Islam.
A lot of Fudging.
We can see whole sections for this on Muslim message boards

Islam believes Jesus is the son of Mary, but Not son of God, nor god.
That would be an abomination in Islam.
They believe he is a "prophet", but that the NT is heavily Corrupted, and ergo we don't, in fact, know anything Jesus said, and the real message lost.
IOW, a 'Prophet' in name only, with no known message: tokenism.

They do not believe in the Crucifixion and resurrection either
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus'_death

When big Mo started his religion he needed credibility, so he made all the prophets of Judaism and Christianity HIS as well.
To win converts he was the great amalgamator.
So that everyone - patronizingly - is a Muslim by default.
So that when you convert to Islam, you merely "revert" to the 'real/true religion.'

ie, to get the Jews to convert, he even changed the direction of prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem for a while... but Failed.
And he was chased from Mecca to Medina, where he eventually triumphed, and then started killing and cleansing the entire Arabian Peninsula. His successors, the 'Four Caliphs' not only finishing the job, but spread further by Invading in all directions.

So take delade's religious obsession and Dawah/fudging with a large grain of salt.
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You see.. you give what they believe but you leave out Scripture verses to why they believe or do not believe.. If you could provide Koran Scripture verses to make their beliefs legal, that would be so much clearer than giving opinions with no facts to look into for selves. It is not haram to do such unclean practices. And just as in Christianity many 1 liner 'verses' claim 1 thing contrary to the entire Holy Bible, so it is the same with the Koran. Every line, or verse, needs to 'line up' with all the other verses.. Otherwise the Koran or The Holy Bible or any other 'book' is a false book. But since The Koran is not just a book but the book which was handed down by God, the verses will line up if and when studied.. Noone can take only 1 verse and say they know the mind and heart and character of God.

Besides, what sort of GOD would say that Jesus Christ is not Messiah? Even Allah has said Jesus Christ is The Messiah.. Surah Ali 'Imran 45

Just like in any other subject matter, a person needs to be sure enough to teach.. No one should be responsible for the false teachers' lack of studies. And if you don't study, then it would be wiser to not teach.


Here is one CLEAR example of wrong teaching..

Jihad, known by many persons, mean 'a holy war'. That is what has been generally accepted and acceptable by the Islam Community...

However according to the Islamic Supreme Council of America, Jihad does NOT mean 'a holy war'.

Jihad: A Misunderstood Concept from Islam - What Jihad is, and is not

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/un...misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9


So if any clarifications are needed as to what Islam is really about and what The Koran really teaches, learning from the scholars of Islam would be much more wise than learning Islam from street Imams.

Why certain persons who are not even interested in any Religion would want to get involved with Religious talks is strange.. Do they have nothing better to do with their time than hindering and putting obstacles up for such ones? Their hearts are ill to want to do such things..

 

I am going to ask a question:

Isa says he is a messenger of Allah..

2:87

We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!

61:6

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"


The Holy Bible says... Matthew 3:17
"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Whose voice was it that said, 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased' if Jesus is a Messenger of Allah (sent) ???


The Holy Spirit in The Qur'an
http://corpus.quran.com/search.jsp?q=holy spirit


And who was this 'WE' that gave Moses the Book? Is it a different Moses than the Moses in The Holy Bible?

 

So...
you didn't Refute anything I said.
ZERO.

You just post Wordy, Wordy, and OFF topic gobbledeegook: overanxious to just prosletyze the glorious bass-ackwards koran.
New Muslim?
Listen guy,.. I have posted on Islamic/Muslim message boards for more than a Decade.
Ummah.com, WhyIslam, etc, etc
EVERYTHING I said is true. Maybe you should head over to an Islamic board and try your Jesus deceptions and other taqiytah.

As to using Koranic Verses..
The Koran has contradictions on virtually Every subject.
Especially on War/Peace/People of the book/Jews, etc.

The earlier peaceful (Meccan) verses when Big Mo was trying to cajole/convert, and the later Medinian/'Sword' verses, at war and after victory.
Alas, the later Violent verses, the Koran tells us, "abrogate" (look it up rookie) the earlier peaceful ones.

ie, the Muslim Dawah Classic:
"Suicide is forbidden".. TRUE... if it's from ie, depression.
Of course, they/YOU won't tell us "Martyrdom is Glorious", and the Only Instant ticket to heaven for you and yours.
Thus, app 10 Suicides/Martydoms a week worldwide.

You can try this al-BS with others, not me.

Islamophobe (Is-slahm-o-fohb) – A non-Muslim who knows too much about Islam
- thereligionofpeace.com

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The best peacemakers for those who deny Religiosity, are Philosophers. There is NEVER a wrong answer with Philosophy.

 

you don't think God can speak.. hmm.. Let's see.. Have you ever heard someone tell you about God? Have you ever heard a person tell you that you are loved by God? Those words can only be spoken by the Spirit of God since the sons of man are not born knowing these things... Although 'learned', the Words themselves are not learned and just rhetorically spoken like some mumbo jumbo. Those who speak those words truly mean what is spoken. That all is loved by God. And it is only through and by The Spirit of God that God can truly testify to this Truth. God cannot lie. And God so loved the world. God loves the world and He cannot lie. And that is why Jesus Christ was sent. Even in the Koran it states that Isa was sent by God.

61:6 (The Noble Qur'an)

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

Both The Koran and The Holy Bible line up with each other. With 2 witnesses, a matter shall be established.

Deuteronomy 19:15 (KJV) "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established."

2 Corinthians 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."

The Holy Bible (1 ) and The Noble Qur'an ( 2 ).


إِذْ قَالَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُبَشِّرُكِ بِكَلِمَةٍ مِّنْهُ اسْمُهُ الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَجِيهًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَمِنَ الْمُقَرَّبِينَ - 3:45

[And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

3:45

 

Maybe the Bible was based on the Koran. They both have some of the same characters.

 

Moses lived before Muhammad was born. So I would have to guess that The Torah and The Old Testament came first.


And look at this verse... In this verse Jesus prophesies of The Prophet Muhammad.

61:6 (The Noble Qur'an)

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

 

Perhaps he can. Prove that the bible or any other holy book is his word.

Even when I don't ask. On and on and oooooooooooon. I don't really care what some regular person has to say about it.

Save it for Vespers padre.

That piece of **** text also commands all adherents of Islam to kill all non muslims. So if your god wrote that you're worshiping evil.

 

okay..I'll just try to live my life right and in a good way.. Keeping my own body as I might think God would want me to... Treating others as I would my parents and loved ones... trying not to eat bad food.. I guess I can't go too wrong with doing good, right? Telling my parents I love them from time to time.. Sending Christmas cards and not neglecting their birthdays.. etc... What can be so wrong with these??? The Holy Bible and Quran 'helps' me to stay within these framelines.

 

For goodness sake! Don't you know that when you write a book of religious fairy tales that you have to include stuff that makes it seem that it's based on real facts instead of just lies? So the writer uses another character in a different fairy tale to give his fairy tale credibility. That's what Joseph Smith did when he wrote the Book of Mormon. All of the writers use accepted lies to sell their own BS.

Uthman and his committee could probably have sold their fairy tale a lot easier if they had only included a few more lies in it that would have appealed to the Christians. Of course they would have had to kill the Pope and his gang but they could have done it by throwing them a big all expense paid meeting and getting them in one place for execution. That was the Old Testament way of dealing with the opposition.

 

You should avoid food that is spoiled.

You should try and do this every day. You never know when your last day will be.

I normally send texts and phone calls.

So you need ridiculous tomes to instruct you to send Christmas cards and avoid spoiled food?

That's kind of sad.

 

Here is a page about the near death experience accounts of Muslims that i believe you will rather enjoy.


http://www.near-death.com/religion/islam.html

Near-Death Experiences and Islam