Jesus was the first Republican:

Turn the other cheek, among others

 

The Baltimore orioles are indefensible

 

lets agree to agree... even though it is much less entertaining

 

So now you want to agree that Jesus Christ was the first Republican;good for you. The declaration of independence starts out with all men are created equal. This certainly did not come from Rome and it certainly did come from Jesus Christ through Saint Augustine and later through Thomas Aquinas John Locke and finally Thomas Jefferson.

 

so now you are saying Christians should've turned the other cheek always and allowed themselves to be slaughtered by the Muslims?

 

I do not say this, jesus said this

 

Oh my... I did not agree to that, and you know that I did not
Which would mean that you are intentionally bearing false witness
A cute strategy in a debate... but very much against religious guidance
And, for most people, a abandonment of personal integrity

Even at the time, this is laughably hypocritical given the enormous slave population whom the founders certainly did not think were created equal

Where is your evidence for this?

The renaissance did not emerge from religious thinkers. Fact is that the church was extraordinary powerful through out the dark ages... and if they had wanted to promote these ideas they could have... but they did not. Instead the church supported feudalism and its rigid hierarchies The presupposed that all men were not created equal

 

actually he said many things, when he said turn the other cheek he was nor referring to surrending to your countries enemy in time of war. You should have been able to figure that out for yourself.

 

we don't care if it was hypocritical. If a parent who smokes tells his children not to smoke he is being hypocritical and truthful. Is this too subtle for you??

 

>>>MOD EDIT Rule 2 Removed<<< Jesus said give to Caesar and to God? Change had to come slowly in steps. Church freed the slaves through Jefferson when it created the idea of equality:

Jesus created the individual and this led to the abolition of slavery. The church extended the sacraments to all people thus leading to a ban on slavery firstly, slavery of Christians and Jews. Ephesians 6:5,8. "masters,do the same to them[slaves] and forbear threatening knowing that he who is both their master and yours is in heaven and that there is no partiality with him" Pope Callistus had himself been a slave. " a slave was baptized and thus had a soul and was a man like all others.": Slaves began to be freed. There was considerable intermarriage. In 649 Clovis married Bathilda, a slave, who used her position to help end slavery.
At end of 8th century Charlemagne opposed slavery as did the pope. Bishop Agobard: " all men are brothers all invoke one same father God: the slave and the master, the poor man and the rich man the ignorant and the learned the weak and the strong none has been raised above the other there is no slave or free, but in all things and always there is only Christ." Saint Wulfstran and St Anselm campaigned to remove the last vestages of slavery in Christendom and soon it could be said: "no man , no Christian at any rate could thereafter legitimately be held as the property of another." When slavery reemerged in the new world the church responded vigorously and a series of angry protests was issues against New World slavery but by then liberals had separated church and state so they had very little impact

 

sort of hard to imagine when only the religious were literate and able to think and able to form capitalist economies in the Northern Italian city states

 

Like the Medici... sheesh, if that is your idea of Christianity it explains a lot

 

Jefferson had slaves which he could have freed, but did not
And jefferson made an edited bible... which assumes that he did not think the Bible was purely the word of god

Nonsense

The fact that some Christians opposed slavery does not confirm that this position came from Christianity since slavery persisted in Christianity for nearly 2000 years after jesus lived...

 

Apparently it is too subtle... Christians have persecuted all sorts of people for centuries, so in my evaluation there is no way to claim the church as the originator if the fight against such persecution

 

what on earth are you trying to say???

 

manumission was illegal then; especially so when you were in debt as was jefferson but so what it has nothing to do with our subject does it?????? you seem desperate

 

Lets try to be even simplier for you. Christianity started with one man who was persecuted and killed. To gain control of Western Civilization and save humanity on earth there was a lot of return persecution. 1+1=2. NOw do you understand?

 

actually Jesus did not leave us a magic wand with which to eliminate slavery
it took centuries of Christian teaching to bring about the end of slavery and 2 more centuries to free 1.3 billion from communist slavery in China. NOw do you understand?

 

so you think Julius Caesar created the individual or maybe HItler Stalin or Mao??? Who???? I wonder why you forgot to tell us??

 

Why are so many christians opposed to conservatives?

 

Exit polls also follow another pattern from recent elections: Most weekly churchgoers backed Trump over Clinton, 56% to 40%. Those who said they attend religious services more sporadically (i.e., somewhere between a few times a month and a few times a year) were closely divided. And, those who said they don’t attend religious services at all backed Clinton over Trump by a 31-point margin (62% to 31%). There is one caveat, however; while exit polling from previous elections shows similarities, direct comparisons between 2016 and previous years are not possible because the wording of the question about religious attendance changed in 2016.

 

Yea ... sure.

 

Typical liberal without ability for substantive response!

 

Nothing typical about me, but then again, you're on the internet, so how would you know?

 

you are very typically liberal ie you are not able to respond substantively but are sure you are correct. Sad.
Anyway, Jesus created the individual and challenged the state by proclaiming God and Caesar to be equal. This led to American's founding. Had it not been for Jesus we'd all still be slaves to some liberal Roman state.