Joe Biden Struggles During Livestream: ‘For Example, You Know, Uh, Uh … Anyway, I Won’t Go Into All

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  1. struth

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    It didn't exist until Obama was President.

    There was something called Jam'at al-Tawhid, which was an al-qauda branch operating prior to the Iraq War and during. It wasn't until Obama pulled out of Iraq, did we see the group reorganize and gain much more power and influrnece across the entire region, not just Iraq.

    "But we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self reliant Iraq with a representative government that was elected by its people. We're building a new partnership between our nations and we are ending a war not with a final battle but with a final march toward home. This is an extraordinary achievement," -Obama https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/14/barack-obama-iraq-war-success
     
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    Negative, you do indeed appear to have an obsession with Trump. It is what it is, and the evidence is shinning like a beacon in this thread. Your insistence that Donald is "causing people to die" is inaccurate.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama'at_al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad
    it changed its name several times until it called itself Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) in 2006.
    Obama took over in 2009.
    So it did exist, and you're wrong. Period.
    Not interested in your other goal posts.
     
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  4. notme

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    You're starting out with a personal attack, and you end with not debunking anything.
    Lame...
     
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    I shouldn't have to "debunk" anything. You need to provide documented proof of YOUR claims. Just to make myself perfectly clear to you, my comments were not a personal attack, they were an observation. Perhaps you need to try to not be so sensitive.
     
  6. struth

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    I actually said it existed...I know terrorist were active in Iraq for quite some time and one of the reasons we went to war there after 9/11

    My point is, it didn't have much teeth until Obama's mishandling of the Iraq War, as well as the Arab Spring.
     
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    Not about it being a slaughter house. Fail in your part to deflect.

    You think people dying in a war is a failure of military givers to protect them? Go and and start listing wars that has not occurred. It will be a list without a single entry.

    What a insane position to take.
     
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    On march 9 Donald compared Corona with 22 deaths to your random flu killing up to 70,000. And he noted that we're not going for a lock down for a flu. That's ones and again Donald downplaying how deadly Corona is and we shouldn't go on lockdown. His advisers estimate the the lock down saved a million to up t 2.2 million people.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1237027356314869761
    https://time.com/5813489/white-house-projects-100k-240k-deaths-coronavirus/

    When you're observing somebody and you conclude he is an idiot, and you say that.. than you made a personal attack. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive to my conclusions of what you're doing here.
     
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    That is not your point!
    You wrote in post 236.... "Isis didn’t exist til Obama try again."
    And you are dead wrong. I sourced it. GWB caused this. Bye bye...
     
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    Trump went forward with the suggestions of the experts that he surrounded himself with. His advisors also stated that his stopping of flights from China saved lives. I believe that those he put in charge of this virus, are doing a good job and he is adhering to their advice. Once again, your sensitivity and lack of objectivity when dealing with anything Trump related is obvious.
     
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    It didn't...not in the form it was.

    You sourced nothing that supports your claim that GWB caused this...whatever this is. You provided a link that highlighted the al quada linked group ISIS traces its roots to was formed in 1999...when Clinton was President. I quoted Obama, who clearly was saying he was handed a free and stable Iraq....he then turned it over to ISIS...who spread like wild fire in the fall of his Obama's mishandling of Iraq and the Arab Spring

    As
     
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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e..._trumps_handling_of_the_coronavirus-7088.html

    Seeing the expected dip in his ratings as we enter what most are predicting will be the worse of this.

    It will be interesting to see if he gets upward momentum in the polls as we clear thru these 2-3 weeks and the deaths continue to decline.


    Next up will be the Dems and witch Pelosi blaming him for the economy and shutdown after they pushed it all along. Spineless jellyfish they are, no morals at all.

    Joe B will try and get the rebound but he’s no Dennis Rodman so he will screw it up badly.


    Can’t wait for Nov, Liberal tears and sour grapes after the election will make the sweetest wine!
     
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    When about 3K citizens die every month ... than I'm judging that as a slaughter house.
    It's an equivalent of a 9/11. It's up to you to downplay 9/11

    You asked what law. Hence I source it.
    And now you complain that the law is the law.
    Petty. Nobody made the US invade Iraq.
    They did that on their own merit with fake news about WMD.
     
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    You can emphasis all you want, with what Donald did do.
    Remains so, that he totally downplayed how deadly it was.
    And so he did nothing against the fast spread of the virus in the US.

    Do note. When Donald says that his people are saying wear a face mask,
    than he immediately sets the example that he will not.
    So he went from downplaying and lying to give mix signals.
    Total loser of a leader.

    It is a objective observation that Donald downplayed the deadliness of the virus till march the 9th.
    You're free to debunk. I don't care about your sulky opinions.
     
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    Fake news...
    It was your entire post.

    Seriously. It's not hard to scroll back.
     
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    WRONG.
    Anything can happen.

    BUT Everyone (Already) can feel, that the Meltdown will come from the RW.

    The RW better plan on a very unhappy election night.

    Bank it.
     
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    It didn't...it was called something else entirely. ISIS is just one more of Obama's nightmareish legacies. Thankfully President Trump has been able to remove them of power and really any relevance on the world.
     
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    There was without a doubt a point in time where most involved did not know how deadly this virus was going to be. I disagree that Trump has been a *total loser* as our leader. He saved lives with his decision on the travel bans, while others of importance called what he did unnecessary, and said he was a racist for doing so. As far as President Trump's decision to not wear a face mask, the White House coronavirus task force and the CDC differ on guidance over universal use of cloth masks.
     
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    You’ve posted that enough

    The loss by Joe B will not your fault, you did your part.
     
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    So a month worth of death in war torn Iraq equally mere hours in death on 9/11 after a terrorist attack? That’s logical to you?

    Iraq had WMDs, they used them openly. Against Iran and the Kurds. They would not allow international inspectors do their job per the agreement they signed after their ass whooping in the first Gulf War. Remember the one where they invaded Kuwait? One would wonder why they did hinder inspectors. It was one of many infractions in those part to the agreement and hey signed. Thus the invasion was warranted and needed to remove ole hide in a hole cowardly saddam the war monger and dictator from power. The mistake made was not doing so after the first Gulf War.

    You made clear you don’t understand the nature of warfare. But I’ll try to help you do so a bit better while being brief.

    People die, it’s inevitable.
    That does not mean it was a failure of leadership or performance.

    By you standards every major military engagement in history has failed because the military “allowed” people to die as they executed their mission.

    The level of stupidity in your post is rising.
     
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    If Trump loses the RW will go to work the next day.

    Liberals however, upon losing in Nov (they will) wil undoubtedly throw a tantrum.
     
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    I sourced that it did under GWB, and under that name.
    Quoted it. The end.
     
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    Not to ISIS. It started as a group in 1999 under Clinton, changed its name and was active in Iraq, as Bush said when we went into Iraq. But they were nothing burgees. When Obama was handed a free and stable Iraq he mishandled it and the Arab spring allowing the group to expand, rename itself IsIS, because at this point they had Syrian land as well. It was 2014 when they proclaimed itself to a worldwide caliphate.
     
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    And start the blame game. Not the normal type where people blame others in their own group for failure. They will start blaming everyone outside the left from Russia to the Keebler Elves for whatever conspiracy they can dream up!!
     
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