Jon Stewart demolish a 2A fanatic

Does the proliferation of guns make the country safer?

Don't you understand the question?

 

Your question is a red herring. Our country is made safe from threats by a military and/or LE by guns. We don't expect either of them to be unarmed. The real question is: Can guns make individuals safer in a criminal environment? There is clear evidence that the answer to that question is -- yes.

 

I own my guns. I am not going to say someone else does not have the same right.

I was given my first gun, a single shot 22 at age 13, 72 years ago. I am a retired Air Force Vietnam veteran. How will me giving up my guns will save a single life?

Do you not understand the question.

 

No risk no reward.

 

You keep breaking into houses in an area where most people own guns, at some point your luck will run out. Death is very permanent. You would be better off breaking into homes where the owner is not so likely to own guns.

 

Good.

Prove it now.

The US has one of the highest homicide rate in the West and the highest gun ownership rate.

How do guns make the country safer?

 

Very true, but which home would a would be robber prefer to break into -- one where they know a anti gunner resides or the one where the owner fully supports gun rights?

 

You're trying to turn the question around because you can't answer mine.

You defend the proliferation of guns as a way to make the country safer.

Then prove it.

 

How do they know?

 

The United States also has the highest population of criminals. Does the guns make the criminal or do criminals use the guns to commit crimes?

 

I really couldn't care less. I'm one person. A little more social than most people, but still just one guy, not famous, not some politician, a little brighter than average, but not all that special. And yet, I know 6 people (at least, who knows how many people I know who have similar stories that I don't know about) that are alive today, and would otherwise be deceased, because one of them was armed. AND, it was 3 separate incidents, not even in the same cities. And, it's not counting my LEO friends.

Seems to me, if that is even remotely a normal life experience, it means a lot of good people would be dead today but for the fact they were armed.

I damn sure hope I never join that group, I've had enough near-death experiences (including the one that I did die, however temporarily it was) for one person. But, just in case, I am prepared. Now more than ever, considering that damn chair I have to be in to go anywhere that is not my bed likely can make me a target.

 

Well, I imagine demographics might narrow it down for them. Is the neighborhood predominantly Republican or Democrat?

 

Interesting.

Maybe the availability of guns makes it easy to commit a murder or a crime....

Hadn't you ever thought of that?

 

So they don't.

 

Maybe a Black market makes it easier for a criminal to get a gun that you would outlaw from law abiding citizens to have.

 

Do you think a robber doesn't consider demographics when they choose a home to rob? I know an affluent neighborhood would be more profitable to rob than a poor one. Why risk robbing a poor man?

 

Not politics.

 

Huh?

 

What does the black market have to do with the discussion?

A gun is a gun.

The more of them there are, the safer the country is.

No ?

 

I don't have to prove anything. Whether I own or do not own a gun is not likely to make the country safer. However, there is the remote possibility it might make my family safer. I defend my right to own a gun for the reasons previously provided and I am not going to say someone else should not own a gun for the same reason.

 

Do you even know what a Black market is? It's entirely relative to the subject. Outlawing guns won't stop criminals from getting them, but it definitely would stop law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

 

If it doesn't make a difference, the argument that guns increase safety is false.

40 pages to get there....

If this were the case, the US would have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.

However, this is not the case at all.

 

You're getting off track.

Does gun ownership increase safety or not?

Criminals buy guns for protection too.

If it works, I ask you to prove it to me.

With statistics....

If it's so obvious to you, you'll have no problem proving it to me.

 

There is one major problem with your argument. You are presenting argument as if there were no guns in the US and the issue is whether we should suddenly allow the general public own four hundred million guns.

The issue is how do we get from where we are now, with four hundred million guns, down to zero guns or at least a reasonably safe level, while at the same time keeping people safe from the bad guys who will not give up their guns.

 

You're not factoring in the criminal population. More criminals = more crimes. If you had more people willing to use their guns when they witness a violent crime in progress, how many criminals would want to risk committing a crime?