Judge Halts Alabama Immigration Law

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  1. Kranes56

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    You have to have proabable cause, to be searched. The judge tells you if you have a cause through a warrant. That's what I think the probelm is.

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    Exactly right, we proved it with welfare reform...
     
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    It goes further than that from what I've read. It makes it illegal to rent or provide transport to an illegal alien. Exactly how is it that landlords or cab drivers are supposed to ascertain citizenship?
     
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    You don't need probable cause for someones ID. Patriot Act.
     
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    My question is, why should they care? If they know they're illegal immigrants, then that's a probelm. I guess the real issue however, is finding out wether or not that information is true.
     
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    I can’t speak for AL. But here in AZ, in order to get an AZDL you need a birth certificate I am guessing that AL can do something like that too, a certificate. or some other document like a US Passport, US Military ID, something like that.
     
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    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    IV admendment.

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
     
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    And is it appropriate for the government to, in effect, deputize cab drivers (or those who pick up hitchhikers) as Immigration or Police officers?
     
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    Well the Patriot Act has taken care of some parts admendments. And untell the courts rule on that, it still stands. But there is case were cops have goten up to pepole out of the blue and asked for their ID and found crimmianls and arrested them.
     
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    1. Any soceity willing to lose a little liberty, to gain a little security, deserves neither and will lose both.- Ben Franklin.

    2. Why did you bring up the patriot act? That's completly irrelvant to the discussion at hand.
     
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    If LEO deputizes, then yes.
    A sheriff can deputize you. And if you refuse he can arrest you, is that appropriate? As an EMT I can pick you and have you hold C-spine, or do hemorrhage control or even help log roll is that appropriate for patient care
     
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    So me were Franklin had to deal with terrorism? And patriot act has to do with a lot and had. You said that they can’t come up to you and ask for your ID with reason or cause. The Patriot act says other wise.
     
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    Me quoting Ben F. has to do with my arguement. The patriot act has nothing to do with this. That is your attempt at derailing the thread.
     
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    Consider for a moment the impact upon citizens or legal aliens of Hispanic descent. Should they be compelled to live under a cloud of suspicion and present legal documents to cab drivers, landlords, etc. when Anglo Alabamans are not? Doesn't exactly sound like equal treatment under the law to me.

    I understand the frustrations with illegal aliens, but it is all about employment. Fix it there.
     
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    The other page I posted a video, check out 2:35.
     
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    Precisely the problem, and this was done by an LEO. Imagine if cabdrivers and landlords are forced, under penalty of law, to do the same.
     
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    It is sad, isn't it?
     
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    Lets just keep giving this country away to people that abuse it.
     
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    Time to change this silly policy that lets unelected judges decide what the constitution means. The C does not say who has the power to interpret it and states should assert their right to do so. The states are supposed to be sovereign.
     
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    Wow, a lot of bitter losers getting angry on here. It's like election night 2008 all over again.

    LOL! :-D
     
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    Ironic comments, considering who you adore.
     
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    You need to look up the definition of irony.
     
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    At the very least, the sections of the law which prevent illegals from obtaining social services and employment should be allowed to proceed. Police officers should also be allowed to verify legal status with reasonable suspicion. Employers should most definitely face serious legal consequences for hiring illegals.

    There is nothing unconstitutional about defending American citizens from illegal invaders who for the most part are simply here for a piece of the pie that was never intended for them, all the while having no true affinity or allegiance to this nation.

    Illegal aliens can obtain citizenship the legal way, and by doing that they instantly remove any legitimate gripe someone might have concerning their presence. If an illegal immigrant can come up with the money to pay a coyote and is also willing to risk their life crossing the border, obtaining citizenship the legal way should not be so difficult in comparison.
     
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    What you say is crazy! It sounds like common sense or something!

    But what you say is irrelevant. The US of A will be no more in 20 years or less. The latino's will be the majority but will have no clue what to do with it. mexico's current state is already an example of what's to come for the USA.
     

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